Ill intent question.

[Lenwen]

Scenario ..

Being with Psionic Invisibility uses it but notices some one in his party gets attacked .. his thoughts (in his mind) instantly go into I will attack to save my party ..

Does this break Psionic Invisibility or not ?

[Tor]

Depends on how one defines ill... if illness is something organic things suffer, if you exclusively plan to destroy property would it be ill intent?

Or... if the attack to safe friends was to shoot down missiles launched at them?

[Hawk258]

I suppose it would depend on what the scenario was. add it, Was your characters "Intent" to actually attack (Knee jerk)?

Given what little I know, IF you were in a situation that a "Good" character would have deemed a GOOD cause, and your team mates were attacked, I would almost say I would Roll a save against your MA to see IF it did break (If you didn't actually go for a weapon or make a change in direction to attack prior) But that is just "MY" opinion. At least it would give you and your gm the chance that "Knee jerk" didn't ruin your invisibility or did. I am a bit more forgiving when it comes to that sort of thing.

Every GM is different. My opinion is mine, Don't expect all GM's to be as forgiving or expect them to always be brutal.

With that said. I might need more info. BUT remember, Heat of the moment decisions and thoughts can play hell with a game. (Don't feed the GM)

[ShadowLogan]

The Psionic Power description is quite clear "The slightest ill intent or act toward perpetrating violence instantly cancels the psionic influence." (RUE pg181)

So the moment he/she starts thinking about attacking, ie "perpetrating violence", the power instantly cancels itself.

[Library Ogre]

Scenario ..

Being with Psionic Invisibility uses it but notices some one in his party gets attacked .. his thoughts (in his mind) instantly go into I will attack to save my party ..

Does this break Psionic Invisibility or not ?

His intent may be to save the party, but that's pretty ill for whoever he's attacking.

[eliakon]

I would say that it does not break until his thoughts cross into actual intentions to do the action.
Thinking "I need to save them" will not do it
Thinking "Okay if I shoot that guy I can save Fritz" is borderline
Thinking "okay I hope I don't miss" as he readies a weapon. will break it.
Like many things in this game its not a hard and fast, black and white, yes or no, issue but an area full of grey borderlines and judgment calls.

[Lenwen]

Ok thank you guys for your help. I'll be house ruling, that the "thought" process has absolutely ZERO effect on Invisibility dropping or not. I'll house rule it that it takes a harmful action, in an of itself (meaning any *action that can do another being physical harm, even if only 1 sdc point).

Otherwise I believe this spell can be incredibly powerful !!

[Lenwen]

harm
härm/Submit
noun
noun: harm
1.
physical injury, especially that which is deliberately inflicted.
"it's fine as long as no one is inflicting harm on anyone else"
synonyms: injury, hurt, pain, trauma; More
antonyms: benefit
material damage.
"it's unlikely to do much harm to the engine"
actual or potential ill effect or danger.
"I can't see any harm in it"
synonyms: evil, wrong, ill, wickedness, iniquity, sin
"I can't see any harm in it"
antonyms: good

[Raze_7]

Scenario ..

Being with Psionic Invisibility uses it but notices some one in his party gets attacked .. his thoughts (in his mind) instantly go into I will attack to save my party ..

Does this break Psionic Invisibility or not ?

I believe that it has to be a conscious decision, otherwise, invisible psychics would be popping up everywhere, with those random thoughts that people get (or, at least, I hope other people get) that says, "Now, wouldn't it be stupid if I just cancelled my invisibility?"

[Lenwen]

Thats true.

The reason I say that this is too powerful is using this in a Techno wizard created item, it can basically instill the item with a form of consciousness.. regarding the ability to "detect" thought.

[Alrik Vas]

Well, in regards to random thoughts that get you in trouble, psychics aren't idiot savants with unfocused talent...

they're highly disciplined, they spent time working on their power, harnessing their inner strength and all that. Having major psionics used to cost you skills before they changed the rule.

If you're a mind melter, errant thoughts aren't really something that come up unless it's from some kind of power having to do with precognition (6th sense, clairvoyance, etc)...and those aren't without purpose. I tend to think of master psychics as very deliberate people.

However, with psychic invisibility, the intent seems to be that you appear just before you perform the foul act, it doesn't mean you have to be in line of sight when you pop.

[ShadowLogan]

Thats true.

The reason I say that this is too powerful is using this in a Techno wizard created item, it can basically instill the item with a form of consciousness.. regarding the ability to "detect" thought.

Well TWdry can bend the rules a bit. For TWdry I'd treat it more like a Star Trek cloaking device (typical) that can't fire while cloaked, so a TWdry form of Invisibility would cut out if a weapon is fired/activated (or other offensive action) that is w/n its sphere of influence rather than the operator/crew thinks, which they couldn't even get a way with using conventional Psi/Magic version.

Though i would point out that Magic Invisibility does have two forms, one of which has similar restrictions like the Psi version, and one that doesn't. Simple allows one to retain combat ability, though you aren't as undetectable as Superior in which you can't attack (though here it seems less restrictive in what constitutes an attack IMHO than the Psi power description).