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masslegion wrote:I believe I've seen this suggested in the past. I'm curious what the community would expect to find in RIFT's Alaska, especially in regards to tech from the golden age of man.

My personal opinion is that we'd have some stockpiles of US Military vehicles, armor, aircraft, weapons and other equipment.

As NEMA was a peacekeeping outfit, I would think NEMA's gear would have been at least somewhat inferior to what the US Military used for themselves. The Military hardware would have heavier armor, better weaponry (either more damage, better mix of weapons, better range, better payload, or any mix), better abilities (such as faster, stronger, AI controlled weapons, personal drones, force fields?, exotic damage resistance, etc. )

As an example of more capabilities I look to how the Super SAMAS and Striker SAMAS was handled in Coalition War Campaign. The Super SAMAS flies faster, higher, has more weapon systems, and more armor.

If I did a RIFT's Alaska I'd have a under-mountain base discovered with these types of units. (I know the underground thing has been beaten to death, but it works. Also with the size and remote nature of Alaska, additional bases in Alaska could have served as a new experimental weapons staging ground in the Golden-Age.) the purpose of the base was to have assets to protect North American Soil from the threat of Soviet Union aggression and serve as a staging ground for any necessary invasion into Russia and Asia.

How would you "improve" the SAMAS and Glitterboy platforms to better fit in with a military feel and what other type of equipment should we expect to see there? What kind of massive troop transport would they have to serve their invasion parameters? ETC?


OK back to the OP.

I'm fairly sure NEMA was the pinnacle of military tech in the Golden Age. There's nothing "peace keeping" about the Glitterboy or Silver Eagle; they are clearly military grade assault weapons. Neither have any anti-riot weapons such as smoke or tear gas grenades, rubber bullets etc. or SDC capabilities making them useless for anything but taking on other MDC units unless your idea of peace keeping is to blow people into pulp. In the Golden Age only a handful of the worlds top militaries had MDC technology, so the only point in building them was war with another world power.

That being said there could be a lot of military things in the base that aren't currently in the books that could be stationed there: very long range artillery (rail guns firing guided shells), MDC surveillance drones and assault drones, MD anti-aircraft guns etc.

Personally I've seen enough world books with new military toys in them in, give me some new and interesting. Something weird and unexpected that would make Alaska stand out as an area to go adventuring in and with lots of plot hooks.

well ya know if I finish and its accepted it'll be weird. ;)
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HWalsh wrote:If Alaska is to be a book, I wanna see something cool in it. Not new hardware. New stuff to see and do.


You know what I'd like to see from an Alaska book?
Or pretty much any world book?

I'd like to see NO humans.
Possibly even NO humanoids.

sorry, not completely happening, after all we already know one base exists.


Or that it existed, at one point in time.
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HWalsh wrote:If Alaska is to be a book, I wanna see something cool in it. Not new hardware. New stuff to see and do.


You know what I'd like to see from an Alaska book?
Or pretty much any world book?

I'd like to see NO humans.
Possibly even NO humanoids.

sorry, not completely happening, after all we already know one base exists.


Or that it existed, at one point in time.


so less than 10000 is too much for you? I think that would make it the least populated.
What makes humanoid to you? Cuz according to books Elementals, for whatever reason, take on humanoid shape.
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HWalsh wrote:If Alaska is to be a book, I wanna see something cool in it. Not new hardware. New stuff to see and do.


You know what I'd like to see from an Alaska book?
Or pretty much any world book?

I'd like to see NO humans.
Possibly even NO humanoids.

sorry, not completely happening, after all we already know one base exists.


Or that it existed, at one point in time.


so less than 10000 is too much for you? I think that would make it the least populated.


Another 10k in an over-populated post-apocalypse setting is still making things worse, not better.

What makes humanoid to you? Cuz according to books Elementals, for whatever reason, take on humanoid shape.


I'd be fine with not having elementals there.
But "CAN take humanoid form" isn't the same as being "a humanoid."
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Zer0 Kay wrote:
Killer Cyborg wrote:
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Killer Cyborg wrote:You know what I'd like to see from an Alaska book?
Or pretty much any world book?

I'd like to see NO humans.
Possibly even NO humanoids.

sorry, not completely happening, after all we already know one base exists.


Or that it existed, at one point in time.


so less than 10000 is too much for you? I think that would make it the least populated.


Another 10k in an over-populated post-apocalypse setting is still making things worse, not better.

What makes humanoid to you? Cuz according to books Elementals, for whatever reason, take on humanoid shape.


I'd be fine with not having elementals there.
But "CAN take humanoid form" isn't the same as being "a humanoid."

Hey no lumping regions in together. If your gonna do that I'm lumping in the population of the entire megaverse in which case my 10,000 is pretty close to nothing. :) :P

No not CAN, elementals take on rougly humanoid shape, per Dragons and Gods.
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Zer0 Kay wrote:Hey no lumping regions in together. If your gonna do that I'm lumping in the population of the entire megaverse in which case my 10,000 is pretty close to nothing. :) :P


Lump however you like. Doesn't change my assessment.

No not CAN, elementals take on rougly humanoid shape, per Dragons and Gods.


When they're not just energy spheres or such.
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Zer0 Kay wrote:Hey no lumping regions in together. If your gonna do that I'm lumping in the population of the entire megaverse in which case my 10,000 is pretty close to nothing. :) :P


Lump however you like. Doesn't change my assessment.

No not CAN, elementals take on rougly humanoid shape, per Dragons and Gods.


When they're not just energy spheres or such.


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Which they try to do immediately upon entering our dimension. Point being when they take on a form and for some reason, I think anchoring, they feel they must assume a form, that form is humanoid.
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Zer0 Kay wrote:Which they try to do immediately upon entering our dimension. Point being when they take on a form and for some reason, I think anchoring, they feel they must assume a form, that form is humanoid.


Right.
And I'm fine without them in a book.
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Well, I guess that's an opinion, and everyone is entitled to one.
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Is the inclusion of elemental a something that you really look for in a world book?
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Killer Cyborg wrote:Is the inclusion of elemental a something that you really look for in a world book?



Fan service actually. That's what I look for.
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Killer Cyborg wrote:Is the inclusion of elemental a something that you really look for in a world book?


No... Just was wondering if they fit into your category of humanoid.
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taalismn wrote:
Killer Cyborg wrote:Is the inclusion of elemental a something that you really look for in a world book?



Fan service actually. That's what I look for.


Sorry no shower scenes, panty flashes or beach parties with rediculously small female baithing suits. That's over in BESM. :) :P
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Zer0 Kay wrote:
taalismn wrote:
Killer Cyborg wrote:Is the inclusion of elemental a something that you really look for in a world book?



Fan service actually. That's what I look for.


Sorry no shower scenes, panty flashes or beach parties with rediculously small female baithing suits. That's over in BESM. :) :P


Or BBSW.
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BEMSM, actually. :P
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Killer Cyborg wrote:
Zer0 Kay wrote:
taalismn wrote:
Killer Cyborg wrote:Is the inclusion of elemental a something that you really look for in a world book?



Fan service actually. That's what I look for.


Sorry no shower scenes, panty flashes or beach parties with rediculously small female baithing suits. That's over in BESM. :) :P


Or BBSM.

:roll: There is NOT a game called that... :shock: Is there?
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taalismn wrote:BEMSM, actually. :P

Huh. Now your confusing me. BESM is a RPG.
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Zer0 Kay wrote:
taalismn wrote:BEMSM, actually. :P

Huh. Now your confusing me. BESM is a RPG.



You poor innocent lad. Best not to destroy your psychological innocence tonight.
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taalismn wrote:
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taalismn wrote:BEMSM, actually. :P

Huh. Now your confusing me. BESM is a RPG.



You poor innocent lad. Best not to destroy your psychological innocence tonight.


Innocent? I figured KCs was a reference to Oppai and yours a play on BDSM but I can't tell with only the alphabet being thrown around.

The only RPG I know that focuses on fan service is Ironwood.
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Or BBSM.

:roll: There is NOT a game called that... :shock: Is there?


Typo.
It's BBSW.

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Oh heck, I haven't crushed any souls today.I'll burn some karma points.
BEM.
Bug-Eyed Monster.



Getting back to Alaska...well, maybe there might be some BEMs lurking in the forests, in the permafrost, or under the ice.
There's oil fields, that might still be running by the Golden Age, though most of their production might be chemical stock, rather than energy.
The Coming of the Riftts could have restored depleted oil fields or wiped them out entirely.
There might be a few wildcatter communities up there surviving by pumping black blood of the earth(not coffee, man), or who might have been wiped out by drilling into the wrong sleeping thing(there's a GREAT Brian Lumley Cthulu Mythos story, The Burrowers Beneath, where a British North Sea oil rig gets wiped out after they drill into a sleeping cthonian horror under the seabed, and the well gusher is a fountain of pulsating BLOOD).
Want to go eco-freak-out? Maybe one of the monsters roaming Alaska is a giant semi-sentient oil spill, or petrochemical-based black blob, maybe a psychic haunting entity or liquid tectonic entity that's taken the form of animated oily ooze.
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taalismn wrote:Oh heck, I haven't crushed any souls today.I'll burn some karma points.
BEM.
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Getting back to Alaska...well, maybe there might be some BEMs lurking in the forests, in the permafrost, or under the ice.
There's oil fields, that might still be running by the Golden Age, though most of their production might be chemical stock, rather than energy.
The Coming of the Riftts could have restored depleted oil fields or wiped them out entirely.
There might be a few wildcatter communities up there surviving by pumping black blood of the earth(not coffee, man), or who might have been wiped out by drilling into the wrong sleeping thing(there's a GREAT Brian Lumley Cthulu Mythos story, The Burrowers Beneath, where a British North Sea oil rig gets wiped out after they drill into a sleeping cthonian horror under the seabed, and the well gusher is a fountain of pulsating BLOOD).
Want to go eco-freak-out? Maybe one of the monsters roaming Alaska is a giant semi-sentient oil spill, or petrochemical-based black blob, maybe a psychic haunting entity or liquid tectonic entity that's taken the form of animated oily ooze.

All South central oilfields are off shore there aren't that many up in prudoh bay.

The rest sound like the black stuff from X-Files.
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Zer0 Kay wrote:
taalismn wrote:Oh heck, I haven't crushed any souls today.I'll burn some karma points.
BEM.
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Getting back to Alaska...well, maybe there might be some BEMs lurking in the forests, in the permafrost, or under the ice.
There's oil fields, that might still be running by the Golden Age, though most of their production might be chemical stock, rather than energy.
The Coming of the Riftts could have restored depleted oil fields or wiped them out entirely.
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Want to go eco-freak-out? Maybe one of the monsters roaming Alaska is a giant semi-sentient oil spill, or petrochemical-based black blob, maybe a psychic haunting entity or liquid tectonic entity that's taken the form of animated oily ooze.

All South central oilfields are off shore there aren't that many up in prudoh bay.

The rest sound like the black stuff from X-Files.



Another thing I'd like to see:

More non-human 'borgs like those from Japan. You know where they turn a guy into a Cyber-Dragon and such like that?
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Another thing I'd like to see:

More non-human 'borgs like those from Japan. You know where they turn a guy into a Cyber-Dragon and such like that?


Created quite a few of those with my Paladin Steel thread; were-borgs, armadillo borgs, Xiticox-imitation 'borgs, etc.
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Killer Cyborg wrote:
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Or BBSM.

:roll: There is NOT a game called that... :shock: Is there?


Typo.
It's BBSW.

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Hmm...I thought the SAMAS in Spirit West was actually a US Army version?
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FluidicAztec wrote:Hmm...I thought the SAMAS in Spirit West was actually a US Army version?


Indeed...But the NEMA Silver Eagle was flashier(and later).
The US Army may have had a more basic model with the option of later modifications/stylistic changes as the defense budget allowed(and some of the glamor of the joint USA/Canada/Mexico NEMA service wore off).
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I would have to agree that while I think an Alaska book would be great I do not think it should have an abundance of people. I think the people who are there should be living in a d-bee town and should be recent (this or last generation) additions to said town. I have no problem with there being golden age stuff under the ice to be plundered err found or some powerful magic type stuff there.

I just want there was more creative things like the way Atlantis is or the bugs that I can't spell or archie 3 or how vampires are in Mexico (completely original).
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Thom001 wrote:I would have to agree that while I think an Alaska book would be great I do not think it should have an abundance of people. I think the people who are there should be living in a d-bee town and should be recent (this or last generation) additions to said town. I have no problem with there being golden age stuff under the ice to be plundered err found or some powerful magic type stuff there.

I just want there was more creative things like the way Atlantis is or the bugs that I can't spell or archie 3 or how vampires are in Mexico (completely original).


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So what part isn't the mostly?
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Thom001 wrote:So what part isn't the mostly?

Well like I said to CK a few thousand people. Two groups indigenous, one military. And maybe, but probably not a "civilian" collective.
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Zer0 Kay wrote:
Thom001 wrote:So what part isn't the mostly?

Well like I said to CK a few thousand people. Two groups indigenous, one military. And maybe, but probably not a "civilian" collective.

Sounds good. There are questions I wanted to ask about the manuscript but as this is an unfinished book I do not know how much you can reveal. So I guess that only leaves one question. How far from being sent for editing/approval from Kevin are you?
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I guess Rifter 64 had some stuff that could be in Alaskahttp://chuckwalton.deviantart.com/art/RIFTER-64-Palladium-Fantasy-Ice-Dwellers-painted-422977164
Just need to add some Innuit stuff and there is a base up there that the military uses to test experimental tanks...

I think there should be less power creep and more dynamics. One rule I like is that Ion weapons could do double damage against machines (or have a potential to stun!). So that stuff in the old books looks a little better.
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nilgravity wrote:I guess Rifter 64 had some stuff that could be in Alaskahttp://chuckwalton.deviantart.com/art/RIFTER-64-Palladium-Fantasy-Ice-Dwellers-painted-422977164
Just need to add some Innuit stuff and there is a base up there that the military uses to test experimental tanks...

I think there should be less power creep and more dynamics. One rule I like is that Ion weapons could do double damage against machines (or have a potential to stun!). So that stuff in the old books looks a little better.


the base... You talking IRL or according to the Rifter?

If they allowed weapon effects like that I've got a ton. Ion would also do extra damage to shields.
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nilgravity wrote:I guess Rifter 64 had some stuff that could be in Alaskahttp://chuckwalton.deviantart.com/art/RIFTER-64-Palladium-Fantasy-Ice-Dwellers-painted-422977164
Just need to add some Innuit stuff and there is a base up there that the military uses to test experimental tanks...

I think there should be less power creep and more dynamics. One rule I like is that Ion weapons could do double damage against machines (or have a potential to stun!). So that stuff in the old books looks a little better.


Only problem... I can't use them, refer to them, but not use.
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The base is IRL I saw it on Future Weapons
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nilgravity wrote:The base is IRL I saw it on Future Weapons


What episode?

There are 6 bases in AK JBER (Rich, Elmo), Eilson, Wainwright, Greely, Clear, Kodiak NAS

Any sound familiar? I didn't include USCG.
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Future Weapons Alaska Special http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TBW7-37wDA and it's Eilson
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Tiree wrote:Future Weapons Alaska Special http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TBW7-37wDA and it's Eilson


What did that have to do with experimental tanks?
Why would a USAF base test tanks?
What would be the point besides cold weather testing? In the current geopolitical environment it is more likely any experimental tanks would be tested at whitesands.
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I watched the 6 minute video. It was all about harsh climates and training. I'm sure if I built a tank for the specific purpose of dealing with snow and ice, they'd test it there.

I'm not advocating jack - just trying to provide information that was asked.
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Tiree wrote:I watched the 6 minute video. It was all about harsh climates and training. I'm sure if I built a tank for the specific purpose of dealing with snow and ice, they'd test it there.

I'm not advocating jack - just trying to provide information that was asked.


:) I thought his name was nilgravity.

Thanks for the video. I don't know why the US in our current state would make an arctic specialized tank. The M1 Abrams works fine in arctic conditions.
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Rifts Alaska? Will there be ram horned snow kangaroo's?
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The Oh So Amazing Nate wrote:Rifts Alaska? Will there be ram horned snow kangaroo's?

I looked at that for a bit before I got it. :lol:
Echo base too and the aluminum falcon :)
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Zer0 Kay wrote:
The Oh So Amazing Nate wrote:Rifts Alaska? Will there be ram horned snow kangaroo's?

I looked at that for a bit before I got it. :lol:
Echo base too and the aluminum falcon :)
Oh you forgot about reptile. Almost all of the creatures in Star Wars is reptilian.


Now you're talking conversions... that just scrapped the whole project. For shame.. for shame
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The Oh So Amazing Nate wrote:
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The Oh So Amazing Nate wrote:Rifts Alaska? Will there be ram horned snow kangaroo's?

I looked at that for a bit before I got it. :lol:
Echo base too and the aluminum falcon :)
Oh you forgot about reptile. Almost all of the creatures in Star Wars is reptilian.


Now you're talking conversions... that just scrapped the whole project. For shame.. for shame

Lol. Darnnnnn guess Ill call it epsilon base and it'll be the titanium eagle and it'll be a ram horned ostrich kangaroo and they'll use a power called steam but will have never heard of heating water and pressurizing the result, like certain shows call zombies walkers because there was never anything called zombies in that universe. There we go, at least three points of difference. :)
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Will it have a giant space cannon to light the sky?
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Tiree wrote:Will it have a giant space cannon to light the sky?

Absolutely and it'll be called the Grant Cannon and Dick Munter will fly in to rescue Liza Hades in his Vroomatech Brynhildr Fighter, that uses neocultre fuel and the zoomtrendi will attack.
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Cyborg sled dogs.
Full bionic conversion dogs to help pull and protect travelers.

(it has been over 100 years since the end of the apocalyptic living on a planet that pulls people from other worlds so peoples numbers have built up.)
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Stop arguing about whether there should be the book and just write it.
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Blue_Lion wrote:Cyborg sled dogs.
Full bionic conversion dogs to help pull and protect travelers.

(it has been over 100 years since the end of the apocalyptic living on a planet that pulls people from other worlds so peoples numbers have built up.)


That's right and 100 years of being filled with usually anti human creatures... The population of humans would decline.
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