Can a Basilisk be a Sea Inquisitor?

[Jefffar]

From a by the book standpoint there is nothing indicating anyone who can take an OCC can't be a Sea Inquisitor - however as Basilisks can't take OCCs they are out on that grounds.

[drewkitty ~..~]

no
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no, if the race precludes the char having Psi, then it is not possible.

[Jefffar]

And the spell has a limited duration

[Khord - Lizard Mage]

In the Phase World sourcebook, under Warlock Marines, it states that many races have served in the Corps including dragons so it is entirely possible for dragons to learn an OCC.

[Shark_Force]

In the Phase World sourcebook, under Warlock Marines, it states that many races have served in the Corps including dragons so it is entirely possible for dragons to learn an OCC.

first off, served in the corps doesn't mean they also took the OCC.
secondly, i've not seen anyone dispute that dragons can (eventually) get an OCC, but rather people are saying that a (young) hatchling could not, due to simply not having had time to pick up an OCC.

[Khord - Lizard Mage]

In the Phase World sourcebook, under Warlock Marines, it states that many races have served in the Corps including dragons so it is entirely possible for dragons to learn an OCC.

first off, served in the corps doesn't mean they also took the OCC.
secondly, i've not seen anyone dispute that dragons can (eventually) get an OCC, but rather people are saying that a (young) hatchling could not, due to simply not having had time to pick up an OCC.

As the father of a Marine in the real world I cannot imagine a "fictional" Marine Corps of any reality allowing untrained, ergo non OCC, characters serving in their ranks. I feel they would at least have to demonstrate a basic skills competencey with Warlock Marine equipment, tactics and protocol before being allowed the honor to serve in the Beloved Corps....Hoorah.

[drewkitty ~..~]

In Rifter #15, there is a special shifter spell called "Only Human", it will transform a supernatural creature into a human. If your GM rules that it applies to a hatchling dragon I would say he could become a Sea Inquisitor, but he couldn't gain psionics;those are inborn.

Hummm.....
The only human spell does not make a supernatural into a human. It puts the SN into a human looking shell, while also limiting the SN to what a non-mystical mortal.
non-mystical: no magic, no psi, no powers, no abilities, no etc....

[Shark_Force]

In the Phase World sourcebook, under Warlock Marines, it states that many races have served in the Corps including dragons so it is entirely possible for dragons to learn an OCC.

first off, served in the corps doesn't mean they also took the OCC.
secondly, i've not seen anyone dispute that dragons can (eventually) get an OCC, but rather people are saying that a (young) hatchling could not, due to simply not having had time to pick up an OCC.

As the father of a Marine in the real world I cannot imagine a "fictional" Marine Corps of any reality allowing untrained, ergo non OCC, characters serving in their ranks. I feel they would at least have to demonstrate a basic skills competencey with Warlock Marine equipment, tactics and protocol before being allowed the honor to serve in the Beloved Corps....Hoorah.

sure, but those are US marines. how would the US marines integrate a dragon? would you require the dragon to learn the same stuff? clearly not. i mean, a dragon can't use an M-16 or an MP-5. it just isn't built for it. it doesn't throw grenades or anything like that.

plus, once again... you're talking US marines. this is UWW marines. not necessarily the same thing at all. the US marine corps is a specific organisation. marines in general are simply a type of troop, typically trained for boarding actions on ships, or for ampibious assaults, and so forth. thus, UWW marines are not necessarily going to have the same kinds of requirements as the US marines, because they're completely different organisations.

[Khord - Lizard Mage]

In the Phase World sourcebook, under Warlock Marines, it states that many races have served in the Corps including dragons so it is entirely possible for dragons to learn an OCC.

first off, served in the corps doesn't mean they also took the OCC.
secondly, i've not seen anyone dispute that dragons can (eventually) get an OCC, but rather people are saying that a (young) hatchling could not, due to simply not having had time to pick up an OCC.

As the father of a Marine in the real world I cannot imagine a "fictional" Marine Corps of any reality allowing untrained, ergo non OCC, characters serving in their ranks. I feel they would at least have to demonstrate a basic skills competencey with Warlock Marine equipment, tactics and protocol before being allowed the honor to serve in the Beloved Corps....Hoorah.

sure, but those are US marines. how would the US marines integrate a dragon? would you require the dragon to learn the same stuff? clearly not. i mean, a dragon can't use an M-16 or an MP-5. it just isn't built for it. it doesn't throw grenades or anything like that.

plus, once again... you're talking US marines. this is UWW marines. not necessarily the same thing at all. the US marine corps is a specific organisation. marines in general are simply a type of troop, typically trained for boarding actions on ships, or for ampibious assaults, and so forth. thus, UWW marines are not necessarily going to have the same kinds of requirements as the US marines, because they're completely different organisations.

I was not talking about hacthlings, I was talking your run of the mill 20 to 550 year old dragon. If they are metamorphed why can't they use standard UWW (or US Marine) equipment and undergo standard Marine training.

[Shark_Force]

In the Phase World sourcebook, under Warlock Marines, it states that many races have served in the Corps including dragons so it is entirely possible for dragons to learn an OCC.

first off, served in the corps doesn't mean they also took the OCC.
secondly, i've not seen anyone dispute that dragons can (eventually) get an OCC, but rather people are saying that a (young) hatchling could not, due to simply not having had time to pick up an OCC.

As the father of a Marine in the real world I cannot imagine a "fictional" Marine Corps of any reality allowing untrained, ergo non OCC, characters serving in their ranks. I feel they would at least have to demonstrate a basic skills competencey with Warlock Marine equipment, tactics and protocol before being allowed the honor to serve in the Beloved Corps....Hoorah.

sure, but those are US marines. how would the US marines integrate a dragon? would you require the dragon to learn the same stuff? clearly not. i mean, a dragon can't use an M-16 or an MP-5. it just isn't built for it. it doesn't throw grenades or anything like that.

plus, once again... you're talking US marines. this is UWW marines. not necessarily the same thing at all. the US marine corps is a specific organisation. marines in general are simply a type of troop, typically trained for boarding actions on ships, or for ampibious assaults, and so forth. thus, UWW marines are not necessarily going to have the same kinds of requirements as the US marines, because they're completely different organisations.

I was not talking about hacthlings, I was talking your run of the mill 20 to 550 year old dragon. If they are metamorphed why can't they use standard UWW (or US Marine) equipment and undergo standard Marine training.

well sure. you could also take a fighter jet, strip it down to a frame, install a better suspension system and a car engine, and drive it around on the ground all the time. but on the other hand, why on earth would you bother starting with a jet and turn it into a rather unimpressive (performance-wise) car when you could either just keep the fighter jet or just buy an actual car?

[demos606]

Magic is second nature to dragons of all varietys. Allowing them access to Magic OCCs has long been Palladiums way of giving them access to more than basic dragon abilitys exclusively until they reach adult age. No, the Magic OCC note for Basilisks isn't a typo bu t that still doesn't get them Inquisitor since it's a psychic rather than magic OCC.

[Lenwen]

From a by the book standpoint there is nothing indicating anyone who can take an OCC can't be a Sea Inquisitor - however as Basilisks can't take OCCs they are out on that grounds.

I concur with this train of thought.

[Tor]

Considering the sour note this thread trailed off on, I think it's worth bumping to correct NB...

Dragons and Gods doesn't say anything about Basilisks 'not' being that OCC. Phrases like 'versed in the ways of magic' and 'area of study' and 'level of magical 'expertise' don't at all apply some kind of non-OCC. All the things mentioned (Wizard/Warlock/Diabolist/Priest/Summoner) are all OCCS, and any dragon listed as having an OCC can obviously learn an OCC.

D+G's different formatting doesn't change the facts introduced in the CB. The lack of dragons in CB1r does not mean something like 'forget everything you learned'. There's a Stone Master in Splynn, so clearly Basilisks can still select any magical OCC, and not merely some 'pseudo-OCC' limited to the list in D+G.

[Svartalf]

Stone master? you referring to the one that sells frightening statues?Yep, that's proof an ADULT dragon can take an OCC, preferably a magical one.

[say652]

Its does say human looking d bees and not all sea inquisitors are psionic. I still play my crazy sea inquisitor Steve but he is level 12 and we dont normally run high level games anymore mainly because everybody wants to play evil alugnments. Steve isn't fond of evil people. Best adventure was beating the crap outa a werewolf pack with a nine iron. Then sending golfballs at them as they fled. Lol

[Tor]

Stone master? you referring to the one that sells frightening statues?Yep, that's proof an ADULT dragon can take an OCC, preferably a magical one.

Except that CB1 informs us that hatchlings can also select a magic OCC, much like Chaing-ku.

[say652]

Imho. Sea inquisitor is an Add-on. Much like warrior of Valhalla, DemiGod, MegaHero, etc. There is no logical argument against Class ADD-ONS. Jussayin.

[Tor]

Functionally yeah, though since they have their own experience table and sometimes alter some stuff it's like an OCC that partially rips on another.

Sea Inquisitors are less of an invasion on the adventurer classes now compared to before since they would not get all the special bonuses/skills RUE added for them (pretty much the only thing I liked about the book, except for the new dragons and HtH dragon)

[Akashic Soldier]

Imho. Sea inquisitor is an Add-on. Much like warrior of Valhalla, DemiGod, MegaHero, etc. There is no logical argument against Class ADD-ONS. Jussayin.

Sure there is. According to the conversion rules in Conversion Book 1 (Revised) and the R:GMG index list (regarding the Demigod and Warrior of Valhalla) those are not "add ons". Those are R.C.C. and O.C.C.s and the rules are pretty specific regarding how many of those you can have.

EDIT: P.S. I actually asked Kevin about this recently and you can either take my word for it or not, but he says (and I am paraphrasing because I will be heading to bed soon) that Hatchlings can learn spells but Adult Dragons can learn how to be a true practitioner of magic given their long life. The exception is the Chiang Ku which can learn a full-blown O.C.C. but in doing so it loses its ability to "learn any spell" if it chooses Tattoo Master.
So, can the Basilisk become a Sea Inquisitor? Hell no. I wouldn't even allow a Chiang Ku since its not a "studied" caster, but an intuitive one (if you can even call it that).

[say652]

Imho. Sea inquisitor is an Add-on. Much like warrior of Valhalla, DemiGod, MegaHero, etc. There is no logical argument against Class ADD-ONS. Jussayin.

Sure there is. According to the conversion rules in Conversion Book 1 (Revised) and the R:GMG index list (regarding the Demigod and Warrior of Valhalla) those are not "add ons". Those are R.C.C. and O.C.C.s and the rules are pretty specific regarding how many of those you can have.

EDIT: P.S. I actually asked Kevin about this recently and you can either take my word for it or not, but he says (and I am paraphrasing because I will be heading to bed soon) that Hatchlings can learn spells but Adult Dragons can learn how to be a true practitioner of magic given their long life. The exception is the Chiang Ku which can learn a full-blown O.C.C. but in doing so it loses its ability to "learn any spell" if it chooses Tattoo Master.
So, can the Basilisk become a Sea Inquisitor? Hell no. I wouldn't even allow a Chiang Ku since its not a "studied" caster, but an intuitive one (if you can even call it that).

Well then.

[Tor]

Hatchlings can learn spells but Adult Dragons can learn how to be a true practitioner of magic given their long life. The exception is the Chiang Ku which can learn a full-blown O.C.C.

Them and Basilisks, since they are also noted as learning an OCC. I'm wondering if I'm forgetting another kind, too. Not to mention there's no rules preventing pretty much any RCC from switching to a new OCC via standard rules. Although if it's a dragon, you might still have to use that big experience table.

it loses its ability to "learn any spell" if it chooses Tattoo Master.

Did Kev say this? If so, what's the deal with Rama-Set who started off as a T-Master like his bro Lo and then became a Necromancer too?

can the Basilisk become a Sea Inquisitor? Hell no. I wouldn't even allow a Chiang Ku since its not a "studied" caster, but an intuitive one (if you can even call it that)

Where does it say the magic OCC can't be an intuitive one? About the only counter-indicator to Mystic is the lack of psionics for this breed of dragon. Although lack of racial psionics doesn't appear to prevent other chars from choosing OCCs that give some psionic powers.

SIs can be non-psionic though, and they are not spell casters at all, so I don't see why a Basilisk couldn't be one.