Aliens, so why invade earth?

[SolCannibal]

The Defiance series had the various alien species leave their doomed world for Earth because they believed Earth was uninhabited at the time (about 5000 years ago... long before we started broadcasting any signals that could be considered to be relatively advanced/technological in origin).

Mankind has been around a lot longer than 5000 years. Try 15000 at the very least. If you are talking about radio signals, those have only been used less than 300 years.

Actually, more like about 100.000 and 120 years respectively.

That said the aliens probably hadn't seem the planet up close - and even if they did give it a previous passing glance, humanity population and enviromental footprint was certainly much smaller than the present one.

[Razorwing]

The Defiance series had the various alien species leave their doomed world for Earth because they believed Earth was uninhabited at the time (about 5000 years ago... long before we started broadcasting any signals that could be considered to be relatively advanced/technological in origin).

Mankind has been around a lot longer than 5000 years. Try 15000 at the very least. If you are talking about radio signals, those have only been used less than 300 years.

Actually, more like about 100.000 and 120 years respectively.

That said the aliens probably hadn't seem the planet up close - and even if they did give it a previous passing glance, humanity population and enviromental footprint was certainly much smaller than the present one.

This isn't about how long humanity has been on the planet... but rather how long we have been using advanced technology. 5000 years ago was the height of the Egyptian Empire (give or take a couple centuries)... which was arguably the most advanced civilization at the time... at least to humanity. Additionally the total human population of the time was only a few million world wide (maybe 30 million)... an insignificant number compared to the billions alive today. It would be relatively easy for an alien species to mistake Earth as uninhabited at this time frame... especially from a great distance... no technological signals being broadcast... no major networks or structures visible from space.

Additionally, the FTL drives available in the HU universe are surprisingly slow, using factors of the Speed of Light (compared to the Light-years per hour drives used in the 3 Galaxies of Rifts). Most available drives can not go much faster than a factor of 50... though a few can reach into the 100s. Earth is roughly 60,000 light years from the galactic core, a trip of over 1000 years with a Factor 50 FTL... so a 5,000 year journey to Earth isn't as far fetched as it may seem in HU. Additionally that trip is assuming one can travel in a straight line for the entire time (the shorted possible route)... however, interstellar anomalies and dangers could require detours to avoid serious damage to a ship, increasing the required travel time considerably. Thus the 5,000 year journey presented in Defiance seems even more reasonable.

Lastly, one has to consider at which point in that journey these aliens would finally detect the broadcast signals that indicate a technologically advanced species is present. We've been using such technology for about 100 years or so (and such signals are limited to the speed of light), so it is only now that our oldest signals could be detected at about 100 light years from Earth. When those first signals were sent, an alien ark armada like in Defiance would still be about 5000 light years away (assuming they are using a Factor 50 FTL drive). In fact, they wouldn't have detected our oldest signals until near the last year of their journey due to the speed at which those signals travel... roughly 4999 years into their journey to Earth. If they are using an even faster FTL drive (and thus are coming from even further away), it is possible they won't detect our signals until the final months or weeks of their journey.

At this point, having traveled so far for so long, detecting such a signal could be heart-breaking... it would be akin to traveling to what you thought was a pristine wilderness only to find the place has been turned into a strip mall. So close to their final goal, it is far too late to turn back. At this point, such a species has very few options... they can either hope that the signals are a mistake, hope that the species on the planet are open to negotiation... or try to take the planet by force. In the Defiance series, all three were present (initially the aliens hoped it was a mistake even though it wasn't, tried to negotiate [and almost succeeded] and then tried to force the issue with violence [though none really know who started the war; the aliens or xenophobic humans]).

All in all, the Defiance scenario is quite plausible in a HU setting... and only a little less so in a 3 Galaxies setting (would have to be coming from another galaxy for such a lengthy journey given the FTL speeds they use).

[Jefffar]

Earth is one of the key hubs of an ancient portal network that connected planets across the galaxy. Now that archeologists have finally uncovered the old portal the aliens can invade through it with the goal of securing travel across the galaxy.

[SolCannibal]

The Defiance series had the various alien species leave their doomed world for Earth because they believed Earth was uninhabited at the time (about 5000 years ago... long before we started broadcasting any signals that could be considered to be relatively advanced/technological in origin).

Mankind has been around a lot longer than 5000 years. Try 15000 at the very least. If you are talking about radio signals, those have only been used less than 300 years.

Actually, more like about 100.000 and 120 years respectively.

That said the aliens probably hadn't seem the planet up close - and even if they did give it a previous passing glance, humanity population and enviromental footprint was certainly much smaller than the present one.

This isn't about how long humanity has been on the planet... but rather how long we have been using advanced technology. 5000 years ago was the height of the Egyptian Empire (give or take a couple centuries)... which was arguably the most advanced civilization at the time... at least to humanity. Additionally the total human population of the time was only a few million world wide (maybe 30 million)... an insignificant number compared to the billions alive today. It would be relatively easy for an alien species to mistake Earth as uninhabited at this time frame... especially from a great distance... no technological signals being broadcast... no major networks or structures visible from space.

Well, considering i was correcting the previous poster assertion, it was indeed a little bit about how long humanity has been on the planet...

And still in the end, it makes little to no difference - 100 thousand, 15 thousand, 5 thousand or 5 hundred years ago. Most periods of our history the human population in the planet was (lost supercivilizations or golden ages notwithstanding) considerably lower than 1 billion people and had no access to anything even close to radio transmission, what to say of FTL communication. A scout ship might come across the planet in any of these periods and still mistakenly label it as uninhabitated due to looking at the the wrong places or a number of other reasons. That was my whole point.

[glitterboy2098]

actually, recent discoveries are putting it close to a million years back.. and cuasing a few rethinks about the difference between Homo Erectus and Homo Sapiens

[SolCannibal]

actually, recent discoveries are putting it close to a million years back.. and causing a few rethinks about the difference between Homo Erectus and Homo Sapiens

Most of it is in debate so far, though as afaik the discussion was restricted to homo sapiens, neanderthals, denisovan, cro-magnon and other late exemplars of the homo genus, there being some polemic around the matter of their being actual species or subspecies. Still that backtracks things to 150-250k at most, afaik - 1 million years plus takes would take contesting things as far as the homo erectus. There's also the fact that genetics and reproduction research have shown things like compatibity to be a little blurrier than our standards on species classification accounts for, opening cans of wild mass guessing in the process.

But anyway, going back to the Defiance series example - it's quite simple to explain/wave away alien observers mistakenly identifying Earth as uninhabitated 5.000 years ago, with a basis on low human population and possible resource or time constraints on their scouts' part.

[Razorwing]

Actually, given the distance that the Defiance aliens would have to travel (it took them 5000 years to reach Earth), it is unlikely they used scouts as such. It would take at least 10,000 years for such a scout to reach Earth, do a little exploration and then return to report, suggesting they knew of their impending destruction at least 15,000 years ago.

It is possible that they used a system similar to what we have begun to use to identify exoplanets in other star systems that meet certain criteria as potential "Earth-like" worlds without actually sending probes or scouts. To date, our scientists have identified something like hundred or so worlds orbiting other stars in areas around those stars where an Earth-like planet could exist. The Defiance aliens, with their comparatively higher level of technology could be a lot more precise in determining the exact likelihood of such a world meeting their various needs. Given the distance they would have to travel to reach Earth, it seems like ours is the first planet that they found through such a method that would meet most of the needs of the various alien species that made up their group... environments where each could survive comfortably and the resources each would need to prosper. It is possible that they discovered closer planets to their own world that would have satisfied only the needs of a few of their various species, but since the mass exodus was a joint venture, they needed a place that satisfied everyone... and Earth it seems was the most viable choice.

[SolCannibal]

Actually, given the distance that the Defiance aliens would have to travel (it took them 5000 years to reach Earth), it is unlikely they used scouts as such. It would take at least 10,000 years for such a scout to reach Earth, do a little exploration and then return to report, suggesting they knew of their impending destruction at least 15,000 years ago.

It is possible that they used a system similar to what we have begun to use to identify exoplanets in other star systems that meet certain criteria as potential "Earth-like" worlds without actually sending probes or scouts. To date, our scientists have identified something like hundred or so worlds orbiting other stars in areas around those stars where an Earth-like planet could exist. The Defiance aliens, with their comparatively higher level of technology could be a lot more precise in determining the exact likelihood of such a world meeting their various needs. Given the distance they would have to travel to reach Earth, it seems like ours is the first planet that they found through such a method that would meet most of the needs of the various alien species that made up their group... environments where each could survive comfortably and the resources each would need to prosper. It is possible that they discovered closer planets to their own world that would have satisfied only the needs of a few of their various species, but since the mass exodus was a joint venture, they needed a place that satisfied everyone... and Earth it seems was the most viable choice.

True, it sounds far more probable indeed based on our current knowledge/resources - that said i know nothing about the series beyond the previously mentioned in the topic and was basically running with. That they found about Earth around 5 millenia ago, concluded it was uninhabitated and at some later point made a mass migration toward our solar system in lower-than-light (or at least "low FTL" speeds). If they spent all that time in a exodus or went through millenia of history before disaster struck i have no idea and did not really account for. A GM could run it a bunch of ways on what details or set-up one wants to work with.

[Razorwing]

Yeah... the series is a little vague on how the aliens discovered Earth and determined its uninhabited status... especially given their distance from it (the Arks they traveled in were their most advanced and still it took 5000 years to make the journey).

The relatively slow FTL speeds that are used in HU has always made little sense to me... especially with the much faster versions available in the 3 Galaxies. It makes a HU game set in space a lot more of a slog to get to new star systems for new adventures than it should... and makes more conventional invasions much trickier. When it can take weeks, even months or years to get reinforcements to a battle front... well... the war could be long over before reinforcements can arrive even with the most advanced FTL drives available in HU (anything with a FTL Factor 100+ tends to be either experimental or merely theoretical). Of course this is just my pet peeve with the setting (well... the AU part of it).

[SolCannibal]

Yeah... the series is a little vague on how the aliens discovered Earth and determined its uninhabited status... especially given their distance from it (the Arks they traveled in were their most advanced and still it took 5000 years to make the journey).

So it all depends on from where did they start and what kind of route and turns they might have needed to take, because while there's a lot of empty space, the milky way still has something like 100+ billions stars in it, so basically its a big sea with loads of tiny islands for one to account for and maneuver around, making travel distances less linear and straightforward to calculate.

The relatively slow FTL speeds that are used in HU has always made little sense to me... especially with the much faster versions available in the 3 Galaxies. It makes a HU game set in space a lot more of a slog to get to new star systems for new adventures than it should...

Different settings, different styles. The standards of FTL tech in AU's Milky Way are different from those of the 3 Galaxies, what fits with one being a community that is part but not the whole of its own galaxy, while the other covers trade, conflict and diplomacy in a slight-transgalatic context. You might say AU is "space age of sail" to 3Gs "space scramble for Africa/cold war" era mix. Things were thought with different tones and directions - what i like actually, otherwise they might as well be the same except for some names.

and makes more conventional invasions much trickier. When it can take weeks, even months or years to get reinforcements to a battle front... well... the war could be long over before reinforcements can arrive even with the most advanced FTL drives available in HU (anything with a FTL Factor 100+ tends to be either experimental or merely theoretical). Of course this is just my pet peeve with the setting (well... the AU part of it).

Depends on one's idea of "conventional" - true, it brings complications to the invaders, but ain't that good when they already have a considerable advantage in technology, numbers and political unification? These limitations make it so alien invaders may be an actual threat for heroes to deal with but still an occasional event, not a near-constant shadow in the horizon and push other kinds of superhero stories a GM might want to tell stories about to the background, what could very easily happen in a 3GS context.

That said there are certainly ways to work around it - mention of rifts use and groups with at least some dimension-hopping familiarity appears repeatedly across the AU books, so jumpgates/stargates and other such things can certainly help out with shortening some distances and be turned in strategic/plot points to be disputed over by several different groups depending on routes possible, ease of access and other details, like with the bajoran wormhole to the Gamma Quadrant, for a great example of a major route made out of the equilavent a fixed permanent rift.

[say652]

I imagine an Amphibious Alien Race would choose to invade earth.
It's blue.

We all covered the basics so maybe this culture arrives enforce and literally Bazillions drop into the ocean.

[Razorwing]

Here's an interesting question... why do Aliens have to come from other worlds? Earth has existed for billions of years and has gone through many climate changes in that time... from a frozen ice ball to something close to a thermal world... even a twilight world when massive dust clouds covered the world after a major asteroid impact. While no evidence has been found to date of intelligent life having evolved before humanity on this mud ball of a world, that doesn't mean it didn't (such evidence could be buried under kilometers of rock or at the bottom of oceans.

It is at least theoretically possible that other species arose over the course of Earth's history, only to have migrated to hidden places as the climate changed to be less hospitable to them. The Silurians (descendants of dinosaurs) of Dr. Who went underground and in many cases have tried to conquer the Earth believing it still belonged to them (since they were here first). There could be a vast underwater civilization that has remained hidden from humanity (another popular trope common in comics) that have been content to let humanity lay claim to the land... but with the wanton destruction of even the ocean habitats... that attitude could be changing quite a bit. Antarctica may not be as barren a continent as we may think... an entire civilization of beings who find the cold to be preferable may be living deep in the glaciers... not to mention what might exist in massive caverns deep beneath the earth (maybe even some mineral life forms?).

Aliens don't have to come from another world... our own world has produced some very strange creatures over the eons that would seem alien to most people... and most are far more ancient than humanity. Some may even feel that humanity is usurping the world that by right should be theirs to rule (and if there is a sizable or powerful amount of them, they might be able to pull it off too). Imagine the technology that a sentient dinosaur civilization might have developed over the last 65 million years as they remained hidden in subterranean caverns (believing the world above died with the massive meteor that forced them underground).

[say652]

This. is. Why. We. Need. A. Like. Button.

[SolCannibal]

Here's an interesting question... why do Aliens have to come from other worlds?

That has to do with language use mostly - outside of, afaik, english, where it's occasionally also used to mean a foreign person or immigrant (as in "illegal alien"), that older meaning of the word is generally lost in most latin-influenced languages, being essentially synonym to "extraterrestrial" on common day use. So it might be that not a few people might define such beings as "non-human", "pre-human", "underground" or "hidden" civilizations instead of alien per se.

But yeah Razorwing, i agree the subterranean, underwater, glacial or floating kingdoms could be used as well as alien invaders as any strange people coming from outer space.

Or on a little twist, they are still around just as much as we are, but dee-shifted or locked in some peculiar cycle/state like the Fadetowns from Federation of Magic.

[Nightmask]

Here's an interesting question... why do Aliens have to come from other worlds?

That has to do with language use mostly - outside of, afaik, english, where it's occasionally also used to mean a foreign person or immigrant (as in "illegal alien"), that older meaning of the word is generally lost in most latin-influenced languages, being essentially synonym to "extraterrestrial" on common day use. So it might be that not a few people might define such beings as "non-human", "pre-human", "underground" or "hidden" civilizations instead of alien per se.

But yeah Razorwing, i agree the subterranean, underwater, glacial or floating kingdoms could be used as well as alien invaders as any strange people coming from outer space.

Or on a little twist, they are still around just as much as we are, but dee-shifted or locked in some peculiar cycle/state like the Fadetowns from Federation of Magic.

Well if you go with that thinking why do the aliens have to come from space then? Why not invaders from a parallel earth that discovered limited transdimensional travel and having depleted their own Earth's resources decide it's easier to use the tech to raid another Earth rather than try to expand into space for new resources? They could also be evolved non-humans rather than humans (like the Cromags from Sliders, being from a different Hominid branch so not humans as we define them).

[Razorwing]

Here's an interesting question... why do Aliens have to come from other worlds?

That has to do with language use mostly - outside of, afaik, english, where it's occasionally also used to mean a foreign person or immigrant (as in "illegal alien"), that older meaning of the word is generally lost in most latin-influenced languages, being essentially synonym to "extraterrestrial" on common day use. So it might be that not a few people might define such beings as "non-human", "pre-human", "underground" or "hidden" civilizations instead of alien per se.

But yeah Razorwing, i agree the subterranean, underwater, glacial or floating kingdoms could be used as well as alien invaders as any strange people coming from outer space.

Or on a little twist, they are still around just as much as we are, but dee-shifted or locked in some peculiar cycle/state like the Fadetowns from Federation of Magic.

Well if you go with that thinking why do the aliens have to come from space then? Why not invaders from a parallel earth that discovered limited transdimensional travel and having depleted their own Earth's resources decide it's easier to use the tech to raid another Earth rather than try to expand into space for new resources? They could also be evolved non-humans rather than humans (like the Cromags from Sliders, being from a different Hominid branch so not humans as we define them).

Exactly... a different "world" doesn't actually have to be a different world.

Our own world has gone through many different phases since it formed... any of which may have had the potential to create life. Many of those life forms could still feel that the Earth rightly belongs to them and that humanity is merely a pernicious virus that needs to be eliminated (and our general actions towards resources and the environment do kind of support this view).

Additionally, our world is just one version that could have happened with an infinite number of alternate possibilities that could be a source of "alien" life. In fact one of the themes of the City of Heroes MMO (before it was shut down before its time) was stopping various invasions from Parallel Earths (most notably from Praetorian Earth and the Rikti). The Sliders series also contained such a theme (and let us not forget everyone's favorite dimensional conquers... the Splugorth).

Then there is the possibility of future races that may eventually evolve who are running out of time (maybe near the end of the Solar System's life cycle) who have decided that the Earth of the Past is perfect place to settle... if they can eliminate the dominant race of the time period.

The possibilities of invasions of Earth don't stop with just other worlds in our universe, but can be extended to other times and dimensions as well.

[SolCannibal]

Then there is the possibility of future races that may eventually evolve who are running out of time (maybe near the end of the Solar System's life cycle) who have decided that the Earth of the Past is perfect place to settle... if they can eliminate the dominant race of the time period.

This in particular i think fits with the post-human/post-fae Sheeda race from Grant Morisson's 7 Soldiers series.

But on subject, all of these are certainly valid invader groups, but i think there's also broadening a definition so much it starts lose meaning. If anything starts being classified as "alien", heroes themselves may get confused about how to deal with each antagonist and mixing up things at the wrong moments - because mistaking demons for alternate earth mutants and those last for time travelers can sometimes lead to terrible (or fatal) errors.

[say652]

Not sure if this off topic.
I use the Hu2 Alien creation chart to determine the appearance of other "races" in my medieval hu game. The homeworld chart helped determine where to place them on the map.
Radioactive homeworld.....was a lone mountain top housed by Humanoid Insects. The society was Magic. Mystic study leaders. Mystic Bestowed were the champions. Magic weapons the soldiers and magic items were the Average people.

[SolCannibal]

Not sure if this off topic.
I use the Hu2 Alien creation chart to determine the appearance of other "races" in my medieval hu game. The homeworld chart helped determine where to place them on the map.
Radioactive homeworld.....was a lone mountain top housed by Humanoid Insects. The society was Magic. Mystic study leaders. Mystic Bestowed were the champions. Magic weapons the soldiers and magic items were the Average people.

Hmmm, the idea of treating the alien enviroments implied in that creation chart as different and borderline/fringe earth enviroments does have merit for games who like to toy with the idea of fantastic civilizations of strange beings existing in hidden places of the planet. In fact the way things are going I'm starting to think that maybe a topic on "earth aliens" and fantastic lost or secret might be worth a thread of its own.

[Razorwing]

But on subject, all of these are certainly valid invader groups, but i think there's also broadening a definition so much it starts lose meaning. If anything starts being classified as "alien", heroes themselves may get confused about how to deal with each antagonist and mixing up things at the wrong moments - because mistaking demons for alternate earth mutants and those last for time travelers can sometimes lead to terrible (or fatal) errors.

Never assume anything... especially in RPGs... doing so makes an ass out of you by me ("me" being your GM). GMs can be a very evil bunch... and are likely to throw something like this at their players to shake things up a little. Yes, the last invaders looked like demons, but turned out to be mutants from another version of Earth... so why not throw some real demons at the players and see what happens (a great lead into the Minion War, yes?). Can it lead to some tragic (even fatal) mistakes? Yes. Is that a bad thing? Not really... such things happen a lot... even in comics.

The definition of Alien is simply something that is different in nature; foreign. This doesn't mean that it just applies to someone from another world, but rather anything that is different in nature to humans, even if it is just a different country of origin. In the Century Station book, the backlash against aliens after the Daedalus project was shut down by Alpha Prime affected any hero that even looked alien (even if they were merely mutants or experiments). If it looks monstrous, it has to be a monster, right? Therefore if it looks like an alien, it must be an alien... at least as far as the common man is concerned.

The simple fact is that anything can be classified as "alien". That mutant that looks like a demon? Obviously he is an alien from somewhere else. That demon the wizard defeated... sent back to it's alien dimension. Oh? So you are from another world in our galaxy? That's nice.

Then there is the fact that to these beings, we are the aliens. It really is all a matter of perspective... and the broader your perspective, the more fun you can have with all the possibilities that you can imagine.

[Jefffar]

Time is also a possible origin for the alien invaders.

65 million years ago, top saurian scientists recognized that for their kind to survive the coming asteroid impact they would have to send their people forward in time to after the effects of the catatrophe had abated....

[say652]

Lets form an Earth inhabited by "Aliens" of different appearances and abilities.
Guess we'll make it an mdc realm with sdc beings as well.

[Tor]

I would say go with the Tarlok's motives. Or the Kreeghor's. Or the Splugorth's.

5) We must clone Nikki Minaj for um scientific reasons

more like Meaghan Rath...

*fell in love through Being Human*
*fanservice galore in Kingdom then Secrets & Lies*

[SolCannibal]

I would say go with the Tarlok's motives. Or the Kreeghor's. Or the Splugorth's.

Speaking of Kreeghor and Splugorth, considering the tentacled ones have something of a tendency to exchange slaves/minions between themselves like so many repeated trading cards, shouldn't there be some Sploogs, in or out of the 3 Galaxies, with some numbers of Kreeghor servants still around? Just thinking...

[taalismn]

Subtle Variants:
*On the theme of 'Earthgirls are easy', the aliens are invading Earth because their ancient rivals/enemies are humanoids who have been using Earth to provide feral stock to regularly re-invigorate their species.
-Their leadership/nobility may come to Earth to breed, and the children of their high leadership may be born on Earth, and raised or return to be educated here because of some inherent property of our cultures. The aliens are effectively attacking the next generation of their enemy in their nursery/school.
-The enemy are using Earthlings as stock for their supersoldiers, given how humans seem to be so mutable under the right circumstances. The aliens hope to destroy the flow of supersoldiers at the source.
-The aliens actually USED abducted humans as supersoldiers, until the soldiers revolted, and are forcing the aliens to the ropes. The aliens hope to hold the Earth hostage against the soldiers' attempt to return to their homeworld, and may simply destroy the planet as an act of pyrrhic victory.

[SolCannibal]

Subtle Variants:
*On the theme of 'Earthgirls are easy', the aliens are invading Earth because their ancient rivals/enemies are humanoids who have been using Earth to provide feral stock to regularly re-invigorate their species.

What, no space amazons abducting strong prospective males for use as arena fighters, eye candy and breeding stock?

[Razorwing]

From Defiance to Jupiter Rising... movies and TV come up with so many interesting ideas to plunder.

[taalismn]

Consumer Revenge:
They wanna get back at us for that Edsel dealership they got foisted on them the last time they were here.
Or maybe it was the Ford Pinto they gave to their beloved leader as a 'gift from the people of Earth'.

[taalismn]

Subtle Variants:
*On the theme of 'Earthgirls are easy', the aliens are invading Earth because their ancient rivals/enemies are humanoids who have been using Earth to provide feral stock to regularly re-invigorate their species.

What, no space amazons abducting strong prospective males for use as arena fighters, eye candy and breeding stock?

That would be a twist...the aliens' enemies are space amazons and Earth is their sperm bank.

[SolCannibal]

Subtle Variants:
*On the theme of 'Earthgirls are easy', the aliens are invading Earth because their ancient rivals/enemies are humanoids who have been using Earth to provide feral stock to regularly re-invigorate their species.

What, no space amazons abducting strong prospective males for use as arena fighters, eye candy and breeding stock?

That would be a twist...the aliens' enemies are space amazons and Earth is their sperm bank.

"Venus want us for snu-snu!!!"

[taalismn]

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"Venus want us for snu-snu!!!"

Before you start painting 'LAND HERE!" on your lawn, maybe you should be aware that those Space Amazons have fully functional vagina dentata and have black widow complexes....

[Razorwing]

Okay... now we are getting into Decoys country.

[parkhyun]

If you're a star spanning culture, why bother invading earth? What's so great about it? What would be the advantages of it? And would it be worth the time and money to occupy?

This is just a thought experiment for our posters. Discuss.

Cronuts.

[SolCannibal]

If you're a star spanning culture, why bother invading earth? What's so great about it? What would be the advantages of it? And would it be worth the time and money to occupy?

This is just a thought experiment for our posters. Discuss.

Cronuts.

so, would cronut unaware cultures be safe from alien domination? Or would they be acultured/assimilated into a cronuts-producing slave-workforce?

[parkhyun]

If you're a star spanning culture, why bother invading earth? What's so great about it? What would be the advantages of it? And would it be worth the time and money to occupy?

This is just a thought experiment for our posters. Discuss.

Cronuts.

so, would cronut unaware cultures be safe from alien domination? Or would they be acultured/assimilated into a cronuts-producing slave-workforce?

Meh. They always attack NYC anyways, might as well stop and get some cronuts.

[taalismn]

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Meh. They always attack NYC anyways, might as well stop and get some cronuts.

Ah yes, the 'Things to do while invading the primates' list.
<<"We want a hotdog with EVERYTHING, Earthling! And make it snappy! We're vaporizing your national capitol in the next hour!">>

[SolCannibal]

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Meh. They always attack NYC anyways, might as well stop and get some cronuts.

Ah yes, the 'Things to do while invading the primates' list.
<<"We want a hotdog with EVERYTHING, Earthling! And make it snappy! We're vaporizing your national capitol in the next hour!">>

Totally "Mars Attacks!" that.

[parkhyun]

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Meh. They always attack NYC anyways, might as well stop and get some cronuts.

Ah yes, the 'Things to do while invading the primates' list.
<<"We want a hotdog with EVERYTHING, Earthling! And make it snappy! We're vaporizing your national capitol in the next hour!">>

Totally "Mars Attacks!" that.

I could see Lrrr, from the planet Omicron Persei 8, going for a cronut. Probably several cronuts.

[taalismn]

The irony would be if the aliens hit the local bookstores, gas stations, or AAA offices for maps and guidebooks to select local targets("If we hit this establishment here, we demoralize this particular segment of the native population!!! Mwhahaahahahha!!" "They just vaporized Graceland! OH NO!!"). That's assuming they're tidy and law-abiding(by invader standards) and not simply "either fly over it and blast it from above, or bulldoze it out of our way!" types.