Archery and Thrown Weapons
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Archery and Thrown Weapons
This should be a simple question, but the various sourcebooks contradict each other. Has there ever been an official ruling on whether or not Archery and Thrown weapons get a bonus to strike from PP?
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It is only Modern WPs that don't.
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Re: Archery and Thrown Weapons
Bows no, thrown weapons yes.
Now for my reasoning,
Bows are a purely mechanical weapon relying on the limbs or prods(crossbows) for the energy imparted on the arrows. Some will say that you can get bows made for your strength, true you would also need to have custom arrows made to handle the stresses, and the costs would be 100s to 1000nds of times more than a normal weapons and arrows. Such bows would be usable by someone of equal or better strength and the damage would be only that of the minimum strength needed to draw the bow.
Where with thrown weapons it is purely muscle power(physical Strength) that imparts the energy to the thrown object, so the damage should be that of the object and the add to damage for strength.
Now for my reasoning,
Bows are a purely mechanical weapon relying on the limbs or prods(crossbows) for the energy imparted on the arrows. Some will say that you can get bows made for your strength, true you would also need to have custom arrows made to handle the stresses, and the costs would be 100s to 1000nds of times more than a normal weapons and arrows. Such bows would be usable by someone of equal or better strength and the damage would be only that of the minimum strength needed to draw the bow.
Where with thrown weapons it is purely muscle power(physical Strength) that imparts the energy to the thrown object, so the damage should be that of the object and the add to damage for strength.
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Re: Archery and Thrown Weapons
Re: Drewkitty~~~
Yes, they do; or yes, they don't?
Re: eliakon
According to HU2E, you're correct. According to HUGMG, you're wrong. Do you know anything that straightens out the conflict?
Re: SpiritInterface
PP bonus to strike, not PS bonus to damage.
Yes, they do; or yes, they don't?
Re: eliakon
According to HU2E, you're correct. According to HUGMG, you're wrong. Do you know anything that straightens out the conflict?
Re: SpiritInterface
PP bonus to strike, not PS bonus to damage.
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Fermat wrote:Re: Drewkitty~~~
Yes, they do; or yes, they don't?
Both get the PP bonus. See Eli's post for reasoning.
Fermat wrote: According to HUGMG, you're wrong.
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Re: Archery and Thrown Weapons
HUGMG pg. 204; under Strike bonus; Ironically, I don't have mu HU2E with me so I can't cite the section where it says the PP bonuses do apply.
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He is not asking about PS bonuses, he is asking about P.P. bonuses.SpiritInterface wrote:Bows no, thrown weapons yes.
Now for my reasoning,
Bows are a purely mechanical weapon relying on the limbs or prods(crossbows) for the energy imparted on the arrows. Some will say that you can get bows made for your strength, true you would also need to have custom arrows made to handle the stresses, and the costs would be 100s to 1000nds of times more than a normal weapons and arrows. Such bows would be usable by someone of equal or better strength and the damage would be only that of the minimum strength needed to draw the bow.
Where with thrown weapons it is purely muscle power(physical Strength) that imparts the energy to the thrown object, so the damage should be that of the object and the add to damage for strength.
As for the actual question, I have always allowed PP bonus to Archery, Thrown Weapons, etc..
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PS Bonus:
Thrown items - yes
Bows - Typically no, unless the bow is modified/built/designed for a persons strength. I believe it was Compound Bows in general would allow this, but a: I am not sure b: I dont have a book reference for drewkitty.
Blowguns - Obviously a no.
Whips - No
Energy Melee Weapons - No, unless it is a weapon designed by a shaped force field of some sort [Create Force Constructs, certain Atorian Empire Technologies -
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Re: Archery and Thrown Weapons
Fermat wrote:HUGMG pg. 204; under Strike bonus; Ironically, I don't have mu HU2E with me so I can't cite the section where it says the PP bonuses do apply.
This would make the PP bonus not applicable to bows and superpowers for the HU2 setting. And such it qualifies for one of those obscure rules.
I do not know why KS found it necessary to go overboard when just re-enforcing the Modern weapons don't get the PP bonus rule.
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And just for my pair of Lincoln heads,
I don't allow PS bonuses to damage for Archery or Thrown; I like keeping that as a specific benefit for the Ancient Weapons Master (PU2).
I don't allow PS bonuses to damage for Archery or Thrown; I like keeping that as a specific benefit for the Ancient Weapons Master (PU2).
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NMI wrote:He is not asking about PS bonuses, he is asking about P.P. bonuses.SpiritInterface wrote:Bows no, thrown weapons yes.
Now for my reasoning,
Bows are a purely mechanical weapon relying on the limbs or prods(crossbows) for the energy imparted on the arrows. Some will say that you can get bows made for your strength, true you would also need to have custom arrows made to handle the stresses, and the costs would be 100s to 1000nds of times more than a normal weapons and arrows. Such bows would be usable by someone of equal or better strength and the damage would be only that of the minimum strength needed to draw the bow.
Where with thrown weapons it is purely muscle power(physical Strength) that imparts the energy to the thrown object, so the damage should be that of the object and the add to damage for strength.
As for the actual question, I have always allowed PP bonus to Archery, Thrown Weapons, etc..
Semi-Off Topic
PS Bonus:
Thrown items - yes
Bows - Typically no, unless the bow is modified/built/designed for a persons strength. I believe it was Compound Bows in general would allow this, but a: I am not sure b: I dont have a book reference for drewkitty.
Blowguns - Obviously a no.
Whips - No
Energy Melee Weapons - No, unless it is a weapon designed by a shaped force field of some sort [Create Force Constructs, certain Atorian Empire Technologies -
Sorry, my eyes saw PP and my Brain saw PS.
As far as the group I game with (based on the various books) the only weapons that doesn't get PP bonuses to strike are Firearms.
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Re: Archery and Thrown Weapons
NMI wrote:He is not asking about PS bonuses, he is asking about P.P. bonuses.SpiritInterface wrote:Bows no, thrown weapons yes.
Now for my reasoning,
Bows are a purely mechanical weapon relying on the limbs or prods(crossbows) for the energy imparted on the arrows. Some will say that you can get bows made for your strength, true you would also need to have custom arrows made to handle the stresses, and the costs would be 100s to 1000nds of times more than a normal weapons and arrows. Such bows would be usable by someone of equal or better strength and the damage would be only that of the minimum strength needed to draw the bow.
Where with thrown weapons it is purely muscle power(physical Strength) that imparts the energy to the thrown object, so the damage should be that of the object and the add to damage for strength.
As for the actual question, I have always allowed PP bonus to Archery, Thrown Weapons, etc..
Semi-Off Topic
PS Bonus:
Thrown items - yes
Bows - Typically no, unless the bow is modified/built/designed for a persons strength. I believe it was Compound Bows in general would allow this, but a: I am not sure b: I dont have a book reference for drewkitty.
Blowguns - Obviously a no.
Whips - No
Energy Melee Weapons - No, unless it is a weapon designed by a shaped force field of some sort [Create Force Constructs, certain Atorian Empire Technologies -
I'm guessing some people feel nostalgic towards D&D and that's why they include P.P (Dexterity) toward their bows.
Personally I have no trouble using P.P. for bows, but not crossbows. I can understand P.S. bonus in some regard, especially
if you're an experienced bow hunter. The draw on some bow sometimes takes some muscle and when you see an arrow
shot through a white tail deer, then you can see why P.S. bonus might get included. Also there's lot of Rifter and
option material in cannon books that suggest P.S. bonus can be applied to bows. So using Kevin's famous words, whatever
floats your boat put it in your games. If you say no, fortuantely the rules fall in your favor.
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Re: Archery and Thrown Weapons
eliakon wrote:It is only Modern WPs that don't.
Cept in PF where oddly, modern weapons do get the PP bonus, unlike every other book.
Or a Larhold Compound Bow if you stray into RiftsFermat wrote:I don't allow PS bonuses to damage for Archery or Thrown; I like keeping that as a specific benefit for the Ancient Weapons Master (PU2).
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Tor wrote:eliakon wrote:It is only Modern WPs that don't.
Cept in PF where oddly, modern weapons do get the PP bonus, unlike every other book.Or a Larhold Compound Bow if you stray into RiftsFermat wrote:I don't allow PS bonuses to damage for Archery or Thrown; I like keeping that as a specific benefit for the Ancient Weapons Master (PU2).
Only if the char has the WP Modern Weapons.
Which I think means you are fighting in close combat John Wo style.
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