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East Asian weapons in the Palladium world

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I'm trying to find if there are any prices for East Asian weapons in PFRPG. And also are there different stats for Kobold or Dwarven make weapons? Would they be more expensive because they are exotic weapons?
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I would think Kobold and Dwarven quality would cost more along the lines for weapons in the main book. What sort of weapons are you talking? A short sword is still a short sword, the issue would be finding a craftsman to make the right shape for say a wakizashi as a custom job.
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Yeah. I need a couple wakizashi and a kusari-gama. I think it's generally accepted that The Land of the South Winds is the oriental section of the Palladium world. I was thinking of maybe just taking the prices for modern craftsmanship and giving them an equal price in gold for the Palladium world.
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A PF main book short sword is 40gp for a basic weapon. Add bonuses, or Kobold/Dwarven craftsmanship and it goes up.

The kusari-gama is in my mind, not that far off from something the various ball and chain weapons, so I would use goupillion flail as a basis, so call it 60 gold. That seems high based on the price of the short sword, but it is in the book.
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Bones wrote:I'm trying to find if there are any prices for East Asian weapons in PFRPG. And also are there different stats for Kobold or Dwarven make weapons? Would they be more expensive because they are exotic weapons?

Wasn't there a Rifter Article about East Asian Weapons in PF RPG?

Anyway you could use the prices for known items in PF and another RPG line to establish a conversion rate if it has the known example and what you are looking for.

My understanding is that Kobold/Dwarven items have bonuses on top of the normal weapon, which results in higher cost and is described in the Main Book (2E). The K/D weapons aren't necessarily exotic by nature, but have a higher level of craftsmanship/quality that runs up the price.
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There was a rifter article about oriental MA OCCs in the PF world. I don't remember which Rifter it's is located in off hand.
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My take is that they would generally cost the same as their Western equivalents... a wakizashi isn't terribly different from a short sword or a saber in ways that would require a different gold value.

I'd also be inclined, however, to make them ancient, since they don't seem to be prevalent in the modern age.
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Yeah there is an article in Rifter #27 with oriental O.C.C.s for PFRPG,but there's no weapons listed in there.
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Bones wrote:Yeah. I need a couple wakizashi and a kusari-gama. I think it's generally accepted that The Land of the South Winds is the oriental section of the Palladium world. I was thinking of maybe just taking the prices for modern craftsmanship and giving them an equal price in gold for the Palladium world.


I fully agree. Except replace "it's generally accepted" with " there is dissension" and "oriental section" with "Indian section" (as in from India).
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actually the high sea's book has them using very south east asian watercraft, so "east asian" wouldn't be a bad guess. like most of the PFRPG locations, it is probably a mashup of different Real world cultures.


another possible approach to adding asian sources items to the game setting would be to have them be old Elvish designs from the times of the elf vs dwarf wars. certainly Asian weapons and armor have a certain 'exotic grace' that could be a hallmark of elvish items. using that approach, Katana's and the like could show up just about anywhere, as either heirlooms/artifacts or as new construction made by smiths that were taught/preserved the old knowledge. plus you could work in a line like "an elegant weapon, from a more civilized age" when describing it. :)
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Well, I figure you can do as Mark says and take the book equivalent and use that for the damage, but give it a different name. For the game mechanics, a sword X that does 2d6 damage isn't any different than sword Y that does 2d6 damage. If the PC wants to pay more to have the sword look different, go for it.

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There is also a section in the HUGMG that lists the details about asian weapons. One of the details is price, however, they are listed in USD.
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Just use the stats out of the compendium (Weapons Armor and Castles of the Orient) it on page 7.

Katana (Long Sword) - Damage: 2D6
Wakizashi (Short Sword) - Damage: 1D8+2

So just use the gold cost for the long and short sword (55gp and 40gp) you can adjust the cost for rarity if you want to.
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Didn't the guy on the cover of the Western Empire book have some (ironically) eastern looking swords?
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Jerell wrote:Didn't the guy on the cover of the Western Empire book have some (ironically) eastern looking swords?


Depends on what one means by "eastern looking", as from what little detail we get in the cover, it could be either katanas, meiji era swords, a pair of these, or any weird/awesome hybrids of any of them.

Anyway, adding my "vote" for Weapons, Armor & Castles Of The Orient as reference material.
It was made for exactly this reason anyway... 8-)
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N&SS works as well
Katana - 2d6 (or 3d6 for superior made)
Wakazashi 1d8 (or 2d6 for top quality)
I let my players get the standard versions from the western empire
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