What do yo want in Mysteries of magic,book2:Dark Magicks?

[gaby]

What do you want in Mysteries of magic,book2:dark magicks?

I like to see The Pact Witch get Magic limited like the Ones in Nightbane,book3:Through the Glass Darkly.
if ther Dark master is displease,the Witch can be Punish with a Limited and need to make a number of sacrifices before they are free of the them or they limited is link to the Demon or AI they made the deal with.

What Rifts Necromancer,s spell conver for PFrpg?

If you think the Pact Witch,s get ther own unique spells?

[pblackcrow]

Necromancer's spells, more summoner circles magic, more dark faerie, also a few new classes, plus some ORIGINAL common spells, a new and better take on dark priests, dark paladins, and maybe a half demon RCC.

[Cinos]

I just want the book to come out.

Beat me to it.

[arouetta]

I want to know more about sex magic. Do you do fun stuff to get the magic, or does the effects of the magic act like fertility magic on the recipient? Either way, could be fun in the wrong hands.

[drewkitty ~..~]

I just want the book to come out.

Beat me to it.

seconds both of the above.

[kiralon]

I want to know more about sex magic. Do you do fun stuff to get the magic, or does the effects of the magic act like fertility magic on the recipient? Either way, could be fun in the wrong hands.

reminded me of one of the funnier questions I saw asked in a Dragon magazine. (Might have been a dungeon magazine)
Can you have sex in a roleplaying game, and if so how do you do it.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/28468362/Book ... ic-Fantasy

http://www.rpgnow.com/product/2814/Ency ... ology?it=1

There have been other incarnations but I haven't found them.
I once created an uber powerful staff, if could do all sorts of things, and some of them were specific to the campaign but I didn't want them used all the time, so I made the staff not let him use the powers unless he used the blue magic spells on himself for the staffs enjoyment. The staff was male, he was male, and also slightly homophobic. Lets just say the powers were used very rarely, except for the times someone else would play his character, the other guy didn't care so would cut loose, to him it was only words, but on the whole it was one of the funnier ways I used to limit an items power.

OT: I would like the Necromancer to be more of a classic necromancer so dark magic would be good. But on the whole getting anything released for PF is an issue.

[MADMANMIKE]

I think the RIFTS Necromancer Bone Magic made the class infinitely more interesting and fun to play, converting (and expanding) that would be my primary interest in the book.

[zyanitevp]

I just want the book to come out.

Beat me to it.

seconds both of the above.

Thirded

[pblackcrow]

I want to know more about sex magic. Do you do fun stuff to get the magic, or does the effects of the magic act like fertility magic on the recipient? Either way, could be fun in the wrong hands.

You might want to check out: http://www.kitsune.addr.com/Rifts/Rifts ... Ritual.htm

[pblackcrow]

I think the RIFTS Necromancer Bone Magic made the class infinitely more interesting and fun to play, converting (and expanding) that would be my primary interest in the book.

Agreed, although I would like a bit more than that.

[The Dark Elf]

Cannibal magic expanded with spells and made canon.

[Nightmask]

I would like to see the Priest of Darkness cleaned up a bit. I'm confused about how a god's servent can aquire spells the god doesn't know. For example, Amon, the Hidden One does not have any spell magic (page 158 Dragons and Gods), so how can she bestow any of the spells listed on page 70 of the PFRPG under the Priest of Darkness description?

It's not lost on me that they are gods, and get a very large margin of flexibilty. But the god's descriptions suggest they are not omnipotent. It just made things a little confusing while rolling the character up.

It's not that uncommon for gods to be able to grant spells that they can't themselves cast, there are gods in AD&D that are in similar positions either because the gods themselves have no spell-casting ability other than what goes with their godly portfolio or their cleric/wizard levels are actually lower than the levels their priests can achieve.

[kiralon]

I would like to see the Priest of Darkness cleaned up a bit. I'm confused about how a god's servent can aquire spells the god doesn't know. For example, Amon, the Hidden One does not have any spell magic (page 158 Dragons and Gods), so how can she bestow any of the spells listed on page 70 of the PFRPG under the Priest of Darkness description?

It's not lost on me that they are gods, and get a very large margin of flexibilty. But the god's descriptions suggest they are not omnipotent. It just made things a little confusing while rolling the character up.

I made I slight change there for Priests, this is for first ed but would work for second
Players can either be warrior priests or caster priests, and it does depend on the god for either.

Caster priests do everything as normal except they can only take hth non men at arms (or hth basic)

Warrior Priests don't get to pick spells but they can take hth soldier, merc, thief or in special cases knight so (hth expert with a couple of gods give hth knight)

(also in my game only the fighting classes hth styles give auto parry, hth non men at arms does not, the magic users wouldn't have had enough time to practice fighting until parrying became an automatic reflex, they were to busy studying their spells/god/demon)

The another change I made was they could only pick from the spells the god knows, but that includes the elemental ones as well (i.e. worship RA, pick fire elemental spells etc)

I would like to see the necromancer expanded as I included most of what the necromancer can do into the shaman, as attaching all those things to your body struck me as more shamanic then necromantic and run necromancers as dark priest/wizards

[Starmage21]

Summoners and Diabolists need to be cleaned up badly, and need some love. This should be priority #1.

[Eashamahel]

SDC Necromancers fully filled out.

Priests of Darkness.

Witches, pacts, becoming a demon, ect.

[The Beast]

I just want the book to come out.

Beat me to it.

seconds both of the above.

Thirded

This and LotD3.

[Eashamahel]

But do you really want just any LoTD3? It's highly unlikely the LoTD3 written by the same author as 1&2 is ever going to see light, so would you rather see a LoTD3 written by a different author, or would you rather a different author get a shot with an new book?

[The Dark Elf]

What do you want in Mysteries of magic,book2:dark magicks?

Surprises. Good ones.

[Vrykolas2k]

Proper editing, no sentence fragments, and possibly meshing well with everything else printed to date.

[eliakon]

Some Wards and Circles, information and clarifications on them (can you pre-carve a ward, can an unenergized ward be moved, under what circumstances CAN a ward be moved, can wards affect circles, etc.) Especially useful would be the various spells/wards/circles that have been used in various books (and thus potentially available to PCs) that don't have stats (Wards of Pox, Sight, Stone for instance, or the Circle of Suspended animation) I would also like some (more) examples of the stuff from the time of a thousand magics that are NOT full schools (it is mentioned that many of the 'thousand magics' were likely just variations (see LoB for examples).

[pblackcrow]

A bit more shadow magic.

[The Dark Elf]

I wouldn't want any wards unless they were specifically dark in nature. Save them for book 3. Same with circles.

[kaid]

I think the RIFTS Necromancer Bone Magic made the class infinitely more interesting and fun to play, converting (and expanding) that would be my primary interest in the book.

The bone magic stuff did help a lot gave necros some very necro type powers and the enchanted bone items are useful but not over powering and very much in character for necromancers.

If there is one thing I would like to see though would be at least one or two solid necromancer attack spells. They have a bunch of stuff that gives debuffs but they are pretty limited in pure attack spells that do damage. They should have some kind of poison/disease/rotting type damage spell. I was messing around writing up a heroic necro for a mexican campaign in rifts and it just struck me as a bit odd that for such a dark aggressive type of spell caster they don't have that many good pure attack spells.

[kiralon]

There is a netbook for all your needs (well at least ideas), for necromancers I suggest the tome of the damned
http://www.padnd.com/downloads.php?fold ... Rib29rcw==

[arouetta]

If you take the spells from Mystic Russia and clean them up a bit (take out MDC, make a ruling on conflicting descriptions, etc) and throw in the Book of Bygone Spirits from LoB, you've got a character that has no further need for any enhancement. I made the mistake of allowing that combination in my game.

[zyanitevp]

If you take the spells from Mystic Russia and clean them up a bit (take out MDC, make a ruling on conflicting descriptions, etc) and throw in the Book of Bygone Spirits from LoB, you've got a character that has no further need for any enhancement. I made the mistake of allowing that combination in my game.

Sounds like quite the story...

[Tor]

Rather than bump the February/March thread: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=142477 will reply here instead...

What I would REALLY like to see is a clarification on the familiar issue. Palladium has never been consistent within a single book, much less across several books, regarding how familiars and witches work, except in the initial PRPG. Back then it was very simple, minor pacts got a normal familiar, major pacts got a demon familiar. In both cases, at second level.

The power/magic/union split jumbled this all up. It gave a bunch of weird explanations and wasn't consistent in NPC examples. They say that Union guys don't need familiars to anchor the essence, yet a union NPC gets a familiar. They say both power/magic guys need familiars for anchors, yet only magic lists them under powers and a power NPC doesn't have a familiar listed.

It mentions not restoring familiars as punishment if they die, yet mentions nothing about the witch losing their powers if this happens.

All this should be cleared up. I want Palladium, in Dark Magicks, to admit to the inconsistencies regarding witches, and them come up with a clear unified stance for how they work across the Megaverse.

I also want a table of contents for every single entity with a named witch NPC, and every entity besides that who is capable of making them, and a list of AIs/demon lords who CAN'T make them.

[MADMANMIKE]

Rather than bump the February/March thread: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=142477 will reply here instead...

What I would REALLY like to see is a clarification on the familiar issue. Palladium has never been consistent within a single book, much less across several books, regarding how familiars and witches work, except in the initial PRPG. Back then it was very simple, minor pacts got a normal familiar, major pacts got a demon familiar. In both cases, at second level.

The power/magic/union split jumbled this all up. It gave a bunch of weird explanations and wasn't consistent in NPC examples. They say that Union guys don't need familiars to anchor the essence, yet a union NPC gets a familiar. They say both power/magic guys need familiars for anchors, yet only magic lists them under powers and a power NPC doesn't have a familiar listed.

It mentions not restoring familiars as punishment if they die, yet mentions nothing about the witch losing their powers if this happens.

All this should be cleared up. I want Palladium, in Dark Magicks, to admit to the inconsistencies regarding witches, and them come up with a clear unified stance for how they work across the Megaverse.

I also want a table of contents for every single entity with a named witch NPC, and every entity besides that who is capable of making them, and a list of AIs/demon lords who CAN'T make them.

Where are the NPC's you're getting confused about? Page numbers and books.. And why would you think that a witch loses their powers if they lose their familiar? Nowhere does it say in the book that their powers are dependent upon the familiar..

Dark Magicks is going to be a Palladium Fantasy book, not a Megaverse Sourcebook. I wouldn't hold my breath for Palladium to unify multiple settings in this book. Megaverse doesn't mean one rule set for all settings, it means similar character creation in all settings that allows for easy adaption to other settings and their setting specific rules.

[say652]

Something along the lines of Mystically Bestowed Abilities but with Powers toned down for that setting.

[Svartalf]

I want to know more about sex magic. Do you do fun stuff to get the magic, or does the effects of the magic act like fertility magic on the recipient? Either way, could be fun in the wrong hands.

Write your own, PB will never publish anything like that

[eliakon]

I want to know more about sex magic. Do you do fun stuff to get the magic, or does the effects of the magic act like fertility magic on the recipient? Either way, could be fun in the wrong hands.

Write your own, PB will never publish anything like that

I hope you're right. Unfortunately, there was a blurb released by Palladium Books in that "Sex Magic" would be included in one of the books. Though I can't rightfully recall which one at this moment...

Will look for it later, unless someone beats me to it.

MoM1 pg 28 (under elves), 67(under available special spells)
There might be a couple other references in the book as well.

[Jerell]

Necromancer's spells, more summoner circles magic, more dark faerie, also a few new classes, plus some ORIGINAL common spells, a new and better take on dark priests, dark paladins, and maybe a half demon RCC.

All the above sounds good to me. I doubt there will be a half-anything RCC though, that's not really Palladiums style. I'd also like a few more Star Magic spells, for the Zodiac Mage (though I realize if I ever see that, it would more likely be in a Rifter. Still, I can want it at least).

I'd also like to see some Amy Ashbaugh art in the book. Especially concerning magic users and Demons/undead/monsters. That subject matter seems to suit her extremely well I think. I've been wanting more or her art in Palladium Fantasy since the Zodiac Mage piece in Rifter 50.

[Jerell]

I say, Rifter 50, old boy. The one with all the 'official' source material stuff in it.

[Tor]

Everyone is interested in Sex Magic.

Imagine our surprise when all it turns out to be is non-erotic stuff like gender-swapping spells, spells to induce/prevent miscarriage/conception, spells that enhance stereotyped gender-based attributes (+PS to males, +PB to females, etc.) spells to determine the survival of only 1 gender in a womb, how to exclusively target 1 gender with magic, immaculate demon conception spell, etc.

[Tor]

Nobody is capable of convincing me of their disinterest through mere testimony, nothing personal

[eliakon]

I will be happy with ANY new canon magic. Especially if its like Shadow Magic, or Ice/Cold Magic and can be learned by more than a rare new OCC. ESPECIALLY in the Palladium world there should be bits and fragments of hundreds of schools of magic.

[Jerell]

Agreed. Many lost and secret fragments from the time of a thousand magics for adventurers who may dig up a little of the past.

[Lukterran]

Summoners and Diabolists need to be cleaned up badly, and need some love. This should be priority #1.

You leave my summoner class alone! They are the BEST completely broken class in the game. Nothing about a summoner needs fixing.

[Tor]

Actually, one thing to fix about Summoners would be to increase their amount of minions to their PRPG levels where you could have 1 greater and 2 lesser simultaneously at level 4. Instead of this either/or nonsense that PFRPG2ndEd introduced.

Summoners should be better at managing minions than Shifters, and right now Shifters are better, and that's wrong.

[The Dark Elf]

How could I forget -

Cannibal magic expanded with spell casting included and made canon. Then new stuff!

[wyrmraker]

I want more complete details on the Alchemist class. I know, it's supposed to be NPC only, but that doesn't mean that it shouldn't be properly kitted out and expanded upon.

[asbjorn]

Shadow Magic or any other Forgotten or Forbidden O.C.C./spell list.

[Library Ogre]

I want more complete details on the Alchemist class. I know, it's supposed to be NPC only, but that doesn't mean that it shouldn't be properly kitted out and expanded upon.

Manuscript had 6624 words on the alchemist class, 2126 of new magic items and such, and 2085 on Rune Magic.

Shadow Magic or any other Forgotten or Forbidden O.C.C./spell list.

And an entire OCC of Shadow Magic, along with a summary of several types of Rifts and/or rare magic and what place they might have in Palladium fantasy; lost and exotic magics is 918 words (witchcraft is over 5300 words, but some of that is repeated phrases in the powers).

[Library Ogre]

I think the RIFTS Necromancer Bone Magic made the class infinitely more interesting and fun to play, converting (and expanding) that would be my primary interest in the book.

Also done in the manuscript.

[Library Ogre]

Summoners and Diabolists need to be cleaned up badly, and need some love. This should be priority #1.

Both got an entire chapter to themselves; they are chapters 4 and 5 in the manuscript.

[Library Ogre]

Summoners and Diabolists need to be cleaned up badly, and need some love. This should be priority #1.

You leave my summoner class alone! They are the BEST completely broken class in the game. Nothing about a summoner needs fixing.

Oh, I bet I could change your mind. The stuff I wrote makes them far more flexible.

[asbjorn]

That all sounds great. I will be very happy when it is published.

[Vrykolas2k]

Mark Hall didn't address my points

[Library Ogre]

Mark Hall didn't address my points

I'm only a writer, not a miracle worker.

[Vrykolas2k]

Mark Hall didn't address my points

I'm only a writer, not a miracle worker.

I was just kidding.