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Can someone help me figure out what spells are considered Illusion spells? A Lord Magus starts with knowledge of all Illusion spells, not to mention they can not be placed into Talismans, so I was wondering if someone had created a list of Illusion spells.

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Fool's gold
multiple image
horrific illusion
Apparition
Illusion booster
Illusory wall
mask of Deceit
hallucination
World Bizarre
Illusion Manipulation
Illusory Forest
(Magic Warrior)
curse of the world bizarre
illusory terrain

These are the invocation spells in the RBoM that 'are' illusion spells.

There are others that can have illusionary equivlents or can be 'considered' to be illusion spells. Such as, but not limited to, Blinding flash o& chromatic protection. A gm will have to make the final choice about which is what.

Magic Warrior is included in the list because it can be 'disbelieved' for only half damage.
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There are a couple sources of this actually.
The simplest is of course "spells that create an illusion" which unfortunately begs the question of just what that means.

Unfortunately it is a lot more complicated (as usual). The whole talisman thing dates back to the old HU days when there was still two kinds of magic... Wizard magic and Illusionist magic (this was itself a hold over from the entire systems origins but I digress)
Thus the old way had it that any spell on the Illusionist list was an illusion, which is simple. But that separate list got erased in when HU got revised and then over the years more spells have been added which blur the lines. Is illusion booster an illusion spell or a 'meta-magic' spell for example, or are all spells that deal with magical light illusions (like chromatic protection, or blinding flash...neither of which follow the normal rules for blindness.) good questions with no good canon answers.
My personal go to answer is "any spell that creates the effect of something that is not or manipulates light, sound or other sensory input in a way that does not cause direct physical harm." It may not be a rock solid canon answer but it has proved workable so far.
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Another way to find the illusion spells is to go to the HU1 mainbook and read the list of illusion spells there. Page 101.
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drewkitty ~..~ wrote:Another way to find the illusion spells is to go to the HU1 mainbook and read the list of illusion spells there. Page 101.


Where can I find the HU1 book?
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Thanks all for the replies by the way.
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dragonfett wrote:
drewkitty ~..~ wrote:Another way to find the illusion spells is to go to the HU1 mainbook and read the list of illusion spells there. Page 101.


Where can I find the HU1 book?

I think Drew means Heroes Unlimited: Revised, which can be purchased from Palladium in physical copy here and can be purchased as a .pdf copy from here.

But don't rush out and buy it yet. Here is that list of spells from which the Heroes Unlimited: Revised "Magician" could choose from. I feel it's a poor indicator of what would be Illusion spells vs non-illusion spells since the Magician in HU:Revised wasn't just an Illusionist and was only "generally limited to optical and illusionary effects." Feel free to take a look at this list and cast your own judgement:

  • Age
  • Blinding Flash
  • Charismatic Aura
  • Chameleon
  • Cloud Of Smoke
  • Darkness
  • Death Trance
  • Fingers of the Wind
  • Float in Air
  • Fool's Gold
  • Heavy Breathing
  • Mask of Deceit
  • Magic Pigeon
  • Multiple Image
  • Mystic Illusion
  • See the Invisible
  • Sense Evil
  • Shadow Walk
  • Spontaneous Combustion
  • Swirling Lights
  • Sword to Snakes
  • Tongues
  • Tum Self to Mist
  • Water to Wine
  • Wisps of Confusion
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Yep…..HU1r.
*shrugs*….that is the only HU1 I (and most people) can get. So to me it is HU1.
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drewkitty ~..~ wrote:Fool's gold
multiple image
horrific illusion
Apparition
Illusion booster
Illusory wall
mask of Deceit
hallucination
World Bizarre
Illusion Manipulation
Illusory Forest
(Magic Warrior)
curse of the world bizarre
illusory terrain

These are the invocation spells in the RBoM that 'are' illusion spells.

There are others that can have illusionary equivlents or can be 'considered' to be illusion spells. Such as, but not limited to, Blinding flash o& chromatic protection. A gm will have to make the final choice about which is what.

Magic Warrior is included in the list because it can be 'disbelieved' for only half damage.


Question: If Magic Warrior could be counted as an Illusion spell, then by extension couldn't Warrior Horde also be considered an Illusion spell? Warrior Horde is simply a huge upgrade to Magic Warrior.
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dragonfett wrote:
drewkitty ~..~ wrote:snip...
(Magic Warrior)
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Question: If Magic Warrior could be counted as an Illusion spell, then by extension couldn't Warrior Horde also be considered an Illusion spell? Warrior Horde is simply a huge upgrade to Magic Warrior.

Does the spell text have a disbelieve component?

However, even if it does, I would not let a L1 char have a Spell of Legend to start with.
The core concept around spells of legends is the idea that 'The Char has to WORK to find/gain them' and that 'they are not just handed out to anyone'. With them the object of a quest or the reward for a quest.
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Re: Illusion Spells

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Warrior Horde is certainly based on Magic Horde Warrior[sup]thanks drew[/sup], but it's certainly not just a matter of numbers. It's an upgrade in quantity but I think a downgrade in quality, as the horde has lower attributes/bonuses in some areas.

There does not appear to be a disbelieve option for the warrior horde. This is an advantage for it in one respect... but one disadvantage I can see there is you can't use Illusion Booster to double its duration for a cheap price, like you can for Magic Warrior (and stack with that other one to get 4x duration)
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