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Unread postPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 12:43 am
  

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Something I wanted to include in Chaos Earth: First Responders was a unified set of rules for environmental dangers, but the start of my research quickly showed me that it was too big a job for such a small sourcebook. Also, I wanted to be able to make it available to all game lines, not just Chaos Earth.

Obviously a completely consistent set of rules is impossible, as all situations vary a little bit from one to the next, but a general rule set should be attainable. What I need from all of you is a list of references to existing, canon rules for every imaginable type of elemental condition. Just give me the particular condition, book, and page number. It can be from any Palladium game.

Some examples of what I'm looking for are:

Heat stroke
Hypothermia
Suffocation
Drowning
Vacuum
Starvation
Dehydration

Basically any type of exposure.

This is going to be one of my little side projects for a while, and I could use the help! Thanks.

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Unread postPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 12:58 am
  

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I believe Hypothermia is covered in Rifts Canada, don't remember the pages.

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Starvation, dehydration, fever and general weakness from disease (among other things) are in Dead Reign: Civilization Gone pg. 35-37

Penalties for smoke exposure/inhalation are in R:UE pg 140 (item block 1 under Burster), complete with associated suffocation!

I'm sure there's more, but these are what immediately came to mind.

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Here's more!

Deadly Heat Effect Table as listed in HU2 under the APS: Fire super ability on pg. 242 (goes up to 700+ degrees.

Also in HU2 is the Control Radiation power with the listed effects of radiation poisoning under 'Generate Extreme Levels of Deadly Radiation'.

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Heat Exhaustion is detailed with the first four paragraphs on page 15, Palladium RPG Book VII: Yin-Sloth Jungles.

This information is expanded with Water Consumption rules (page 17) and more Heat Exhaustion info (page 18), Palladium RPG Book IX: The Baalgor Wastelands.

Hypothermia page 141-143, Starvation page 144, Dehydration page145, Atmospherics/Hypoxia page 146, Palladium RPG Book XIV: Land of the Damned One Chaos Lands

More Hypothermia information can be found on pages 24-27 of Rifts World Book 20: Rifts Canada.

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i beleive drowning can probably be found in WB7: underseas
vacuum should be in either MiO or AUGG.

are you going to include radiation exposure effects? i think thats the only one we've not got info on. not just the posioning from high levels, but the effects of lower level exposure, with notes on cumulative exposure?

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Unread postPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 12:24 pm
  

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I thought there was some info in Dinosaur Swamp. If nobody has confirmed by the time I get home from work in about 5 hours I'll double check


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thanks for the info so far. however, I don't need just one reference per type of exposure. I need ALL of the references in the canon, hence the need for all the help. I don't want to miss anything. :)

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Dustin Fireblade wrote:
I thought there was some info in Dinosaur Swamp. If nobody has confirmed by the time I get home from work in about 5 hours I'll double check


WB 27: Adv in Dinosaur Swamp starting on page 13 has Starvation, Bad Water, Dehydration, Heat Exhaustion and a section concerning elements and hygiene.

There's also a section concerning tropical storms and hurricanes.


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weather events would be good as well, but I know there is a TON of conflict there. anything for earthquakes outsde the elemental spell?

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yes jason please include radiation affects. with the magic coming back to earth and the volcano exploding it had to set off alot of those nukes. so there should be huge areas of earth covered in radiation.

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duck-foot wrote:
yes jason please include radiation affects. with the magic coming back to earth and the volcano exploding it had to set off alot of those nukes. so there should be huge areas of earth covered in radiation.


I certainly will do my best. This side project isn't yet forgotten. :ok:

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Unread postPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 5:15 pm
  

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Jason Richards wrote:
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yes jason please include radiation affects. with the magic coming back to earth and the volcano exploding it had to set off alot of those nukes. so there should be huge areas of earth covered in radiation.


I certainly will do my best. This side project isn't yet forgotten. :ok:


i got one... i use it in my dnd campiagn its called mana rain. its kinda like acid rain, but magical and with all that magic seeping into the earth it makes sense. now mana rain can have many affects, all of which are harmful. 1) polymorph into x tiny critter, 2) fire damage, 3) cold damage, 4) teleports pc/npc high into the sky, i have a lot more affects, i dont wanna give them all away and im certain you can think of cool things aswell


hope i helped.

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Unread postPosted: Wed May 26, 2010 5:41 pm
  

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Gas effects, other than man-made war gases. Stuff like natural gas leaks from broken gas mains, going into mines and having to deal with gas pockets, etc.

Is there anything for surviving and getting out of a collapse? I've often imagine people in PA-Rifts running across dead NEMA personnel whose armor allowed them to survive a building falling on them, but they couldn't escape and either starved to death or killed themselves.


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Is there anything for surviving and getting out of a collapse? I've often imagine people in PA-Rifts running across dead NEMA personnel whose armor allowed them to survive a building falling on them, but they couldn't escape and either starved to death or killed themselves.


That's funny that you mentioned that, because that's happened to so many player characters in numerous Rifts games. I laugh every time I see an armored character bring down a structure on himself in a game using M.D. weaponry. Or even more funny, when the other characters tell him, "Just hang tight, we'll come back for you later".

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I might be wrong, but I believe the "excavation" skill covers collapses. Of course, that could be expanded into a section all its own as well I believe.


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I might be wrong, but I believe the "excavation" skill covers collapses. Of course, that could be expanded into a section all its own as well I believe.


I think you're right. Excavation & Rescue, Rifts Chaos Earth RPG Book page 131, does seem to cover exactly that. I guess gamemasters would adjust those skill roll percentages when taking into consideration the situation, tools available, etc.

I would certainly deem this skill appropriate to dig out a trapped fellow character, but do you think this is appropriate for a character to free oneself if trapped using this skill? I'm not sure it is, but if it were, it would have to carry a very high skill penalty that would make it nearly impossible for success (to more closely mirror the dire situation). It would seem that the mobility needed to perform this skill is exactly what is missing when characters are trapped in a collapse (sometimes, but not always). Ask the gamemaster?

Are your thoughts on this similar, or do you see it another way?

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Rifts Aftermath has information on surviving in collapsed structures.

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Jeffrey W. wrote:
Dustin Fireblade wrote:
I might be wrong, but I believe the "excavation" skill covers collapses. Of course, that could be expanded into a section all its own as well I believe.


I think you're right. Excavation & Rescue, Rifts Chaos Earth RPG Book page 131, does seem to cover exactly that. I guess gamemasters would adjust those skill roll percentages when taking into consideration the situation, tools available, etc.

I would certainly deem this skill appropriate to dig out a trapped fellow character, but do you think this is appropriate for a character to free oneself if trapped using this skill? I'm not sure it is, but if it were, it would have to carry a very high skill penalty that would make it nearly impossible for success (to more closely mirror the dire situation). It would seem that the mobility needed to perform this skill is exactly what is missing when characters are trapped in a collapse (sometimes, but not always). Ask the gamemaster?

Are your thoughts on this similar, or do you see it another way?

Jeffrey W.


Sorry I didn't see this until now.

I don't believe it would be a huge benefit to someone trapped, especially if they are pinned in place. At best, I could see them relaying advice to another to create a "pocket" to prevent further collapse.

Now if they were in a situation that allowed them to move around more freely, then I believe it would be a great skill to have to either escape or again just to create a safe pocket until someone on the outside could get them out.


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Thought I'd ttt this since it came up in my "what free resource do you want" thread. If you have anything to add to this list, please chime in.

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Vacuum exposure is covered in the new Robotech books as the skill Space survival in the wilderness skill section. Of course there is no detail int he book as to WHAT YOU DO when exposed to a vacuum. I have read you need to slowly exhale so as to not rupture your lungs.

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yes jason please include radiation affects. with the magic coming back to earth and the volcano exploding it had to set off alot of those nukes. so there should be huge areas of earth covered in radiation.


I certainly will do my best. This side project isn't yet forgotten. :ok:

Don't forget that per Mutants in Orbit, the Orbital MilSats launched attacks on the surface too. So there would be blast craters with the accompanying radiation in the surrounding areas, and some of those would be in the cities -- especially ones that have large NEMA contingents.

I know this is a little beyond the scope of Chaos Earth: First Responders, but I'd love to know what caused the Moscova Crater. :nuke:


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But I remember that Rift's Sourcebook 4? The Coalition Navy one...had a very accurate section on the effects of Nuclear type damage, specifically from Nuclear warheads. This might not hurt to be included as there would likely be a little fallout from South America, I know the books state that the bombs had limited fall out, but still. Whose to say other accidents would not occur, as Chaos Earth seems rife for possibilities of multiplying disasters.

Anyway...I' have the book at home, I'll get us a page number, as it also has some radiation stats I believe.


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the WB Xitic has some rules on suffocating
in regards tothat resisn gun

I am fairly certain the CB2 basklisk entry talks about suffocating in regards to being trapped in PA that has been turned to stone

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Comment: Lazlo and its supporters talk of Dbee rights. Can you even comprehend the plight of the untold billions of humans evicted from thier homes since their coming? What of their rights?
CB1 pg 120
Petrification: The basilisk can turn its victims into stone with its
crimson gaze (eye beams). The creature struck by the beams must save
vs magic by rolling 13 or higher (even inanimate objects get a save in
this situation), or be turned to stone. Characters in vehicles and power
armor are lucky in that there is a 1-90% likelihood that only the body
of the vehicle or power armor is transformed by the terrible eye beams.
But the oxygen supply inside the vehicle or power armor is limited to
4D6 minutes and the mechanism is completely useless and immobilized.
To escape, the victim(s) inside must break out or be broken out by
others or suffocate when the air is gone.

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pg 51-52
Penalty Modifiers on the Victim when the "head" is covered.
Thankfully, since the Digger and Queens are not instinctive
fighters, they do not fight to kill and are usually satisfied
with stopping or trapping their adversary. This means that neither
the Digger nor the Queen will intentionally spit resin on
the head of an opponent unless they have witnessed their
adversary use some form of dangerous attack that originates
from the head, such as flaming breath or energy blasts that
shoot from the eyes. The Queen will not hesitate in "globbing"
the head (the victim will suffocate and die in five minutes).
However, the Digger is not savvy enough to do so on his own.
A Queen, Hunter, Warrior, or other authority figure would
have to suggest the tactic to the Digger.
Any creature whose head is encased in the thick glob
will begin to suffocate even before the resin hardens. Quick
action is needed as the average human or D-Bee will lose consciousness
in two or three minutes and die from suffocation in
five. Only those who don't need to breathe air (via magic or
supernatural nature) can hold their breath for a longer period
than a human, or those who have an independent oxygen supply
via cybernetics or environmental body armor can survive
longer. Likewise, those wearing a helmet with a face
mask/visor/air filter may catch an air pocket and have 1D4
extra minutes of air. Even an M.D.C. creature can suffocate,
although it typically takes 10-100 times longer, and many
supernatural beings don't need to breath air.

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RoadWarriorFWaNK wrote:
Rifts Aftermath has information on surviving in collapsed structures.

pg 14 Rifts Aftermath
dyhydration, starvation, infection ruls

CB1 pg 84
Encase in Ice
Range: Six feet (1.8m) per level of experience.
Duration: Until melts or broken
Saving throw: None
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until it is broken free or the ice melts. The encasement has 10 M.D.C.
and also inflicts 4D6 S.D.C. damage to bare flesh. Encasing somebody's
head in ice is possible and will temporarily blind him and will render
him unconscious in two minutes and suffocates in six minutes. Ice
disappears instantly if the warlock wills it to.
CB1 pg 67

Snow Storm
Range: Affects a 30 foot (9 m) area per level of the warlock and can
be cast 50 feet (15.5 m) away per level of experience.
Duration: Two minutes (8 melees) per level of the warlock.
Saving throw: none
P.P.E.: 50
Drops the temperature to 15 degrees Fahrenheit, creates 30 mph
winds and snow and hail with a three foot (0.9) accumulation every
other melee/30 seconds. Reduces speed by half and vision, including
optics, to 20 feet (6 m), and inflicts 10 S.D.C. points of damage each
melee.

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Dustin Fireblade wrote:
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I thought there was some info in Dinosaur Swamp. If nobody has confirmed by the time I get home from work in about 5 hours I'll double check


WB 27: Adv in Dinosaur Swamp starting on page 13 has Starvation, Bad Water, Dehydration, Heat Exhaustion and a section concerning elements and hygiene.

There's also a section concerning tropical storms and hurricanes.

Dinosaur Swamp WB26 pg 41-46 talks abut diesases

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If you wanted to make a condensed section covering all possibilities, then simply categorize them (by how long it takes for incapacitating/fatal effect) and have each category have its own severity, effects and buildup effects.

For example, something like this might look similar to the following:

Immediate Exposure (within moments)
Examples: Vacuum, gas attacks.
Penalties: ?

Short-Term Exposure (less than half a day)
Examples: Hypothermia, heat stroke, heat exhaustion, sunburn, high radiation levels.
Penalties: ?

Medium-Term Exposure (a few days)
Examples: Moderate radiation exposure, thirst, continual chilly (but not cold) conditions.
Penalties: ?

Long-Term Exposure (a week or more)
Examples: Starvation, parasitic infection (worms, lots of lice, etc), malnutrition.
Penalties: ?

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Rhomphaia wrote:
If you wanted to make a condensed section covering all possibilities, then simply categorize them (by how long it takes for incapacitating/fatal effect) and have each category have its own severity, effects and buildup effects.

For example, something like this might look similar to the following:

Immediate Exposure (within moments)
Examples: Vacuum, gas attacks.
Penalties: ?

Short-Term Exposure (less than half a day)
Examples: Hypothermia, heat stroke, heat exhaustion, sunburn, high radiation levels.
Penalties: ?

Medium-Term Exposure (a few days)
Examples: Moderate radiation exposure, thirst, continual chilly (but not cold) conditions.
Penalties: ?

Long-Term Exposure (a week or more)
Examples: Starvation, parasitic infection (worms, lots of lice, etc), malnutrition.
Penalties: ?

you with all this crap going on on earth. its amazing we survived at all

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you with all this crap going on on earth. its amazing we survived at all

To be honest, humans used to be a lot tougher. "Civilized" society has softened our bodies and if that were to collapse, things would go to hell real quick and you'd probably find violence would be fairly low on the list of causes of death.

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Unread postPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:33 am
  

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Rhomphaia wrote:
duck-foot wrote:
you with all this crap going on on earth. its amazing we survived at all

To be honest, humans used to be a lot tougher. "Civilized" society has softened our bodies and if that were to collapse, things would go to hell real quick and you'd probably find violence would be fairly low on the list of causes of death.

ya dying of a splinter would be more common

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Unread postPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 4:11 pm
  

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There's also foot rot in swampy areas. I Why my characters always pack extra socks and clothing that will dry quickly when I go into a swampy area. See: PFRPG's Yen Sloth Jungle pg 14. It is very common.

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