Can bats have 4 hands?

[Shark_Force]

Hi All, just getting interested in after the bomb recently, and i noticed something that seemed a bit weird.

pretty much all the birds talk about how they can't have extra arms if they have partial or full hands on the wings. bats, in comparison, lack the explicit statement that it is not possible and further state "applicable even with arms and hands" for the partial and full hands on wings options.

so does this mean that a bat can (theoretically) have 4 hands? i mean, it's kinda prohibitively expensive to do so (and bats kinda have other things i'd probably want to buy first), but it looks like it can actually be done...

and, if so, what exactly does having 4 hands do for you?

[Rali]

Both partial and full hands state "Applicable even with arms and hands", so I would have to say yes.

[Cedric Caleb]

Extra limbs (20 Bio-E) for a set of fully developed arms and hands is already an option. And I imagine the presumption is that one pair are in the wings. Really, this is more of the GMs call how they choose to play that decision; I'd hate to rules lawyer over a point just because something is or isn't written in the book.

As to the idea of four hands, I would likely refer to either PFRPG: Monsters and Animals or Rifts Conversion Book and review the Rahu Man to include bonuses and penalties that come with skills and combat for the extra arms; and of course go over it with the GM to okay.

[say652]

I would treat the wings as oversized hands.