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I haven't read through Systems Failure in a while, but I seem to recall a passage where a bug claims they will get revence on humanity for some transgression or other. I don't believe it's stated what this is, though.

I was wondering what other people think it may have been. Here are a few less than awe-inspiring possibilities I've thought about.

Some sort of Mechanoid-like thing, with the bugs not just disliking humanity, but all humanoid or non-insectoid life?

Humans really did **** the bugs off somehow. Maybe it was our polluting the interstellar airways with reruns of Leave It To Beaver[and other broadcast crap]. Or a crashed space probe squashed a bug queen.

Maybe the bugs come from some sort of Digital World type place[cyberspace given form or whatever...the bugs really don't like human made computer viruses, firewalls, and the like]. It saddens me that I have even this much knowledge of the Digimon cartoon. Pity me :(


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I figure that the bugs are pissed about some loss they faced against humankind in some ancient, forgotten civilization. The book practically spells that idea out.

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What they are angry about is up to the GM. One approach to take would be that the Atlanteans were to blame. Transplant the ancient history of Atlantis from Rifts to Systems Failure. Another approach to consider is that of a lie. We never did anything to them. They just sprung the "revenge" comment on us to scare us whan all they really want to do is eat.


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I thought they were pissed off because they only got one book while Rifts got 40. :demon:

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Chalk it up to Natural Predation. Perhaps on thier original homeworld, they were on the low-end of the pecking order, until they 'evolved' to their current state & wiped out all the "hairless monkeys", then decided to do the same to the rest of the Multiverse.

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I have pondered what could have caused them to respond with that comment myself.

I thought an interesting twist could be that humankind did indeed do something to the bugs (whether on purpose or not) and they think the are getting revenge about it. But unknown to the bugs they have invaded the wrong Earth. In fact it was another dimensions Earth which did whatever deed that happened. Possibly Rifts Earth since traveling to other dimensions is rather easy, maybe during the golden age of man som government did something. Or maybe a new High tech dimension hopping Earth that we arent introduced to yet.

I just thought it could be an interesting turn of events having the wrong Earth invaded.

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Bah, all that revenge crap is a smoke screen. Big ol Psycholigical thingy prob.

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I thought they were pissed off because they only got one book while Rifts got 40. :demon:


Something like that... That passage, as well as the ones where they mention the possibility of bugs not described in the book is one that makes me resent the fact that SF never went beyond main book... It just called for at least a couple more.

What led to those never being made, I don't know, especially if the game was such a great success as some claim... maybe because KS screwed with Bill Coffin once too many?

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I thought they were pissed off because they only got one book while Rifts got 40. :demon:


Something like that... That passage, as well as the ones where they mention the possibility of bugs not described in the book is one that makes me resent the fact that SF never went beyond main book... It just called for at least a couple more.

What led to those never being made, I don't know, especially if the game was such a great success as some claim... maybe because KS screwed with Bill Coffin once too many?


What lead to them was they were never planned it was supposed to be one book from the start.

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That's something I just can't understand... :shock:

Publishing an RPG with plans never to make any supplements anyway, whatever the thing's success...

That's especially true with games like SF that have huge holes in them just begging to be plugged.

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That's something I just can't understand... :shock:

Publishing an RPG with plans never to make any supplements anyway, whatever the thing's success...

That's especially true with games like SF that have huge holes in them just begging to be plugged.


It was supposed to be a joke book to make fun of the Y2K craze Bill just did a really good job on it. I would have liked to see more books but they were just never ment to be.

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Jefffar wrote:
I thought they were pissed off because they only got one book while Rifts got 40. :demon:


I think that I am a Bug. :D :lol:
Or at least that I can understand them.

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Svartalf wrote:
That's something I just can't understand... :shock:

Publishing an RPG with plans never to make any supplements anyway, whatever the thing's success...

That's especially true with games like SF that have huge holes in them just begging to be plugged.


That's where folks like ourselves come in, writing up material for the Rifter or posting it on fan sites.


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Maybe the bugs have simply used up any and all resources on whatever planet they came from and have moved on, to somewhere were the natural resourses are set for harvesting and a power grid is already set up. Considering the toughness of the bigs I think that where they came from is a desert-like planet, little water or even water vapour, and a thin/non-existant atmosphere, so no power sources when the oil runs out. But Earth, thats a horse of a different colour, there is enough food to last a long time, as well as other ways of getting power.
I don't think all the bugs are here though. They have likely sent bugs everywhere, and they are sending power back to the home planet. I have a feeling the bugs find us humans discusting, and they don't like us, or else they would all move here. Or maybe they want us all dead or under control first.

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It has been postulated that there is more than one Swarm in the Megaverse. The exact number is unknown. However, there is nothing to indicate they are sending energy back to any homeworld. The Bugs are characterized in the book as energy gluttons, meaning they consume MUCH more than they need for mere survival. In fact, they don't really need to consume external power sources at all, as they are capable of deriving nourishment from simple sunlight. They are also known to gorge themselves to get a sort of electronic "buzz" like humans do by drinking lots of alcohol or using drugs.


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You, could do something with the stories of Earth having ancient advanced civilizations. If Earth did it may have fought a war with the bugs driving them off at the cost of the collapse of there civilization.

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I think that maybe where the bugs come from time flows much differently. Lets say that what got the bugs pissed was Y2K itself! The bugs could have been leaching off our power grid for a long time, and when Y2K hit they got denied that power source. It is possible that there is no other way to make power on their planet, ei the sun is blocked out or something. We ruined their civiliation with the bug, and say in the time between 2000-2001 a hundred years or so went by on their planet. SO they rebuild their shattered world, and come for revenge, not quite getting it has only been a year since Y2K and that we didn't do it on purpose. You know? Maybe the bugs exist because of us, as well. The bugs are the bugs, gliches and program errors of our computers given form. They may be out to get us for blocking them out and "killing" them with our firewalls and stuff. Remeber how that guy in the chat room at the front of the SF book said that they had been tracking this stuff since 1988? Well, maybe the bugs are the cause of Y2K, as they move for revenge. Who knows?

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Early in the book (I don't have it, I only leafed through it a few time at my FLGS), a bug invades the White House through a wall socket and kills everyone attending the press conference. Before the bug killed the President though, he asked why were the bugs invading. His answer can be summed as "Oh well, we're here anyway so it doesn't matter if you remember what you did."
Although in all seriousness, what brought them to the SF world is a good question, not as good as the one on how to send them back though.

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because they found out we ate the cream filling.

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Early in the book (I don't have it, I only leafed through it a few time at my FLGS), a bug invades the White House through a wall socket and kills everyone attending the press conference. Before the bug killed the President though, he asked why were the bugs invading. His answer can be summed as "Oh well, we're here anyway so it doesn't matter if you remember what you did."
Although in all seriousness, what brought them to the SF world is a good question, not as good as the one on how to send them back though.


Who cares 'bout sending 'em back! Bugs is good eatin'!

In all seriousness, I doubt that there's anywhere to send them back.


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RAID.


They probably don't much care for the band Black Flag either.


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They probably don't much care for the band Black Flag either.


Oh no...how can you not like Black Flag?! I think it's cause they don't have ice cream or chocolate

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Oh no...how can you not like Black Flag?! I think it's cause they don't have ice cream or chocolate

I think that you hit it on the head.
Chocolate withdraw. They feed on energy and cannot have their Chocolate fix.

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Oh no...how can you not like Black Flag?! I think it's cause they don't have ice cream or chocolate

I think that you hit it on the head.
Chocolate withdraw. They feed on energy and cannot have their Chocolate fix.


Yeah, that's a logical assumption. I can't think of anything worse.

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Oh no...how can you not like Black Flag?! I think it's cause they don't have ice cream or chocolate

I think that you hit it on the head.
Chocolate withdraw. They feed on energy and cannot have their Chocolate fix.


Yeah, that's a logical assumption. I can't think of anything worse.


Being cranky and bloated and not having your chocolate fix?


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Okay, this one is a bit weird, but bear with me on this.

It's a circle of violence. The bugs invade this specific human world due to some horrible acts of violence that were perpetrated centuries or millinia ago by their perspective. They get all fired up for revenge, invade and enslave, and humanity fights back and, eventually after a few decades, wins the war. The humans have captured a few lightning bugs and use their ability to traverse dimensions to go to Bug Central, only it turns out to be in the Bugs past, essentially making an infite loop of agression and battle...

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Okay, this one is a bit weird, but bear with me on this.

It's a circle of violence. The bugs invade this specific human world due to some horrible acts of violence that were perpetrated centuries or millinia ago by their perspective. They get all fired up for revenge, invade and enslave, and humanity fights back and, eventually after a few decades, wins the war. The humans have captured a few lightning bugs and use their ability to traverse dimensions to go to Bug Central, only it turns out to be in the Bugs past, essentially making an infite loop of agression and battle...


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That's actually very much in line with something I'm working on for SF: The Gulf States. A clan of much more unified Bugs has set up shop in Mexico and unified Central America under their reign. They alone carry the memories of the human invasion of their homeworld and have concluded - now that they've come full circle - that the anarchy and tyranny of their brothers to the North led to the rise of NORAD and the destruction of their paradise in counterattack. Thus, the only way to change the timeline is to take out BOTH the disloyal, gluttonous North American Lightning Bugs who have failed to pacify the resistance AND the humans that will eventually rise up to perpetuate the cycle of death.


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Maybe to answer this question of why the bugs are pissed, a GM needs to run a game where the players are all bugs recruited to the invasion force. ;)

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I have wondered about this as well.

I read through the book and found certain things to come across a little disjointed, particularly with the part regarding some past transgression. It would have been something else to find out what that was.


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I read through the book and found certain things to come across a little disjointed, particularly with the part regarding some past transgression. It would have been something else to find out what that was.

I assumed this was left intentionally vague so the GM could easily come up with their own reasons.

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I read through the book and found certain things to come across a little disjointed, particularly with the part regarding some past transgression. It would have been something else to find out what that was.

I assumed this was left intentionally vague so the GM could easily come up with their own reasons.


It just didn't quite "gel" with the rest of the book.

If it was meant to be part of the book, then it should have cropped up again as a "mysterious past" conflict between the bugs and humanity somewhere in the description of the bugs. Perhaps suggesting some kind of "Ancient Astronaut" conflict with surviving humans landing on Earth.

It just felt disconnected, as if it should have been expanded upon, even slightly or never should have been included in the first place. That's all.


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It just felt disconnected, as if it should have been expanded upon, even slightly or never should have been included in the first place. That's all.

Maybe it was intended to be spelled out more in another book.

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LostOne wrote:
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It just felt disconnected, as if it should have been expanded upon, even slightly or never should have been included in the first place. That's all.

Maybe it was intended to be spelled out more in another book.
The problem with that theory is that there was never intended to be another book.

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Mark Hall wrote:
LostOne wrote:
Nelzie wrote:
It just felt disconnected, as if it should have been expanded upon, even slightly or never should have been included in the first place. That's all.

Maybe it was intended to be spelled out more in another book.
The problem with that theory is that there was never intended to be another book.


Mr. Hall, please stop using facts!!!

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And stop making sense! :badbad: Dang it!


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Mark Hall wrote:
LostOne wrote:
Nelzie wrote:
It just felt disconnected, as if it should have been expanded upon, even slightly or never should have been included in the first place. That's all.

Maybe it was intended to be spelled out more in another book.
The problem with that theory is that there was never intended to be another book.

Not by Palladium, however, Bill Coffin had said to various fans that he had hoped to talk Palladium into letting him do a sourcebook for it, so he may have had plans on it and therefore didn't try to squeeze stuff into the main book (for all I know he was limited on number of pages).

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Mark Hall wrote:
LostOne wrote:
Nelzie wrote:
It just felt disconnected, as if it should have been expanded upon, even slightly or never should have been included in the first place. That's all.

Maybe it was intended to be spelled out more in another book.
The problem with that theory is that there was never intended to be another book.


Which is why I question the vagueness and the lack of connection to elsewhere in the book.

Beyond that, the rest of it seems to work fairly well. (Aside from the Bio-re-engineered soldiers, that just feels off a bit as well.)

Anyway, if I was going to run the game, I'd drop the half-bug soldiers and build more onto the past conflict element.


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I think I figured it out.
Space Invaders. The Bugs are the electronic Space Invaders that were destroyed time after time in all those bowling alleys, arcades, pizza joints and Ataris around the world.
That's my story, and that's gonna be my "reason" in my games.
Space Invaders PWN!

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:lol: That's hilarious. I think we have a winner!

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:lol: That's hilarious. I think we have a winner!

No, I'm totaly serious. Space Invaders created a little simulated universe inside the games. How many of those games were produced again? And how many Atari's were shipped with Space Invaders?? How many Copies of Space Invaders have been on other machines? Don't you think, considering the whole weirdness of the PB Megaverse, that there's gotta be a consideration here for some bizarre Megamechanic on all those alternate Earths, alternate timelines that there would be a grand matrixing between those universes SPace INvaders machines that started to fester as a prison-like universe of it's own where these electronic insectoid beings were tortured endlessly for decades before they escaped and took vengence upon the first Earth-like Dimension, and one of the rather mundane ones by comparrison for that. Maybe the SF Earth was the Earth that had the least ability to resist, but they could still manifest themselves in and maintain their electricity driven "biology"!
Hey, Do I get a Prize for this???


Oh, And maybe, just MAYBE at some point in Rifts Earth/ BTS Earth (or a BTS/Rifts-like world) history that a TW or Psi-Mechanic used their abilities to power a machine running Space Invaders!

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I realized you're serious, and think it's one of the most original and interesting ideas suggested so far.

Rifter article! :P

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