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So, someone on another forum disliked that there was a deemphasis on playing Coalition troops in SR. My suggestion was to use the MARS classes to emulate Coalition troops, adding a Vow while giving them access to sweet CS gear.

Anyone have other suggestions?

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So, someone on another forum disliked that there was a deemphasis on playing Coalition troops in SR. My suggestion was to use the MARS classes to emulate Coalition troops, adding a Vow while giving them access to sweet CS gear.

Anyone have other suggestions?


My suggestion is: don't play CS troops. The Coalition is a fascist government that willingly embraces Nazi iconography and pursues a genocidal agenda. They shouldn't be player character fodder.

If you want to play a former Coalition soldier who's seen the error of his ways and is trying to redeem himself, then I'd recommend a MARS package and allow them to replace their starting gear with damaged or repurposed CS gear.

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Mark Hall wrote:
So, someone on another forum disliked that there was a deemphasis on playing Coalition troops in SR. My suggestion was to use the MARS classes to emulate Coalition troops, adding a Vow while giving them access to sweet CS gear.

Anyone have other suggestions?


My suggestion is: don't play CS troops. The Coalition is a fascist government that willingly embraces Nazi iconography and pursues a genocidal agenda. They shouldn't be player character fodder.

If you want to play a former Coalition soldier who's seen the error of his ways and is trying to redeem himself, then I'd recommend a MARS package and allow them to replace their starting gear with damaged or repurposed CS gear.


It's quite possible to tell compelling stories about sympathetic characters in service to a horrific regime. Watch Das Boot sometime if you don't believe me.

That said, it's essentially master-level storytelling at that point--and eventually, the characters should be forced to confront the evil that they are in service to, and make decisions accordingly. It absolutely should NOT be a happy-go-lucky "kill all the monsters and let the gods sort them out, then kill the gods too" campaign.


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Mark Hall wrote:
So, someone on another forum disliked that there was a deemphasis on playing Coalition troops in SR. My suggestion was to use the MARS classes to emulate Coalition troops, adding a Vow while giving them access to sweet CS gear.

Anyone have other suggestions?


My suggestion is: don't play CS troops. The Coalition is a fascist government that willingly embraces Nazi iconography and pursues a genocidal agenda. They shouldn't be player character fodder.


Hey, I agree. But, well, for those who just gotta get their SS on...

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If you want to play a former Coalition soldier who's seen the error of his ways and is trying to redeem himself, then I'd recommend a MARS package and allow them to replace their starting gear with damaged or repurposed CS gear.


'Bout what I thought.

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Unread postPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:26 pm
  

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blackwingedheaven wrote:
Mark Hall wrote:
So, someone on another forum disliked that there was a deemphasis on playing Coalition troops in SR. My suggestion was to use the MARS classes to emulate Coalition troops, adding a Vow while giving them access to sweet CS gear.

Anyone have other suggestions?


My suggestion is: don't play CS troops. The Coalition is a fascist government that willingly embraces Nazi iconography and pursues a genocidal agenda. They shouldn't be player character fodder.

If you want to play a former Coalition soldier who's seen the error of his ways and is trying to redeem himself, then I'd recommend a MARS package and allow them to replace their starting gear with damaged or repurposed CS gear.


Almost none (less than .005% likely) of the CS citzens could tell you what a nazi was let alone what ww2 was or why and who went to war. The idea that earth is for humans is a distant ideology to, earth is for white christians.
Personally im so pro 2nd amendment I think your average citzen should be able to buy law rocket launcher at walmart for a labor day sale with no paperwork. But if your not on that level the idea of being anti-magic makes sense. A spell caster can be naked and throw the equivalent of a nuke out of thin air, while his demonic side kick irons his pants.

The cs feeds and clothes more people than any other group in the world, kills more xixtinics (im surely misspelling that), more truely evil demons ect. Than anyone else.
The CS at its leadership is fascist, the common trooper and citzen is a product of enviroment and upbringing and even then mostly good people.
To want to play as the not broke, largest military soldiers in the game makes alot of sense. To be able to actually call in back up or an airstrike is not strange. People have played rifts games as splugorth forces, blood thirsty mercs, thirsty-er vampires, TGE forces (a group far more evil than the CS).....and it goes on like that.
Its RIFTS you should play as the villians now and then, being the forces of ultra goodness and light is repetitive, and morally choosing to NOT blow up the orphanage is the easy choice.
That why RIFTS give you the classes for the bright, gray, and dark.....(fallen cosmo knights anyone?)
Id do M.A.R.S. with a pre-set skill/mos with human psi-stalkers only. Forced gear allotment too. Re-roll any magic stuff on the hero charts.


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Zamion138 wrote:
blackwingedheaven wrote:
Mark Hall wrote:
So, someone on another forum disliked that there was a deemphasis on playing Coalition troops in SR. My suggestion was to use the MARS classes to emulate Coalition troops, adding a Vow while giving them access to sweet CS gear.

Anyone have other suggestions?


My suggestion is: don't play CS troops. The Coalition is a fascist government that willingly embraces Nazi iconography and pursues a genocidal agenda. They shouldn't be player character fodder.

If you want to play a former Coalition soldier who's seen the error of his ways and is trying to redeem himself, then I'd recommend a MARS package and allow them to replace their starting gear with damaged or repurposed CS gear.


Almost none (less than .005% likely) of the CS citzens could tell you what a nazi was let alone what ww2 was or why and who went to war. The idea that earth is for humans is a distant ideology to, earth is for white christians.
Personally im so pro 2nd amendment I think your average citzen should be able to buy law rocket launcher at walmart for a labor day sale with no paperwork. But if your not on that level the idea of being anti-magic makes sense. A spell caster can be naked and throw the equivalent of a nuke out of thin air, while his demonic side kick irons his pants.

The cs feeds and clothes more people than any other group in the world, kills more xixtinics (im surely misspelling that), more truely evil demons ect. Than anyone else.
The CS at its leadership is fascist, the common trooper and citzen is a product of enviroment and upbringing and even then mostly good people.
To want to play as the not broke, largest military soldiers in the game makes alot of sense. To be able to actually call in back up or an airstrike is not strange. People have played rifts games as splugorth forces, blood thirsty mercs, thirsty-er vampires, TGE forces (a group far more evil than the CS).....and it goes on like that.
Its RIFTS you should play as the villians now and then, being the forces of ultra goodness and light is repetitive, and morally choosing to NOT blow up the orphanage is the easy choice.
That why RIFTS give you the classes for the bright, gray, and dark.....(fallen cosmo knights anyone?)
Id do M.A.R.S. with a pre-set skill/mos with human psi-stalkers only. Forced gear allotment too. Re-roll any magic stuff on the hero charts.


I couldn't have said it better myself. I am really tired of the goody two-shoes slant that SR has, but that is just my opinion.


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Unread postPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 12:17 pm
  

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Coalition is a fascist government that willingly embraces Nazi iconography

Its bad enough some think Nazis own the square swastika even though the Hakenzkreuz is rotated 45 degrees as a diamond, but do we really let them own the death's head? Own the bones that guard our minds?

Americans who fought Nazis in WW2 also used skulls. The 1952 film Ivanhoe had the eponymous hero during the tournament don the death's head when he jousted 4 of Prince John's knights. If the US was able to use this emblem during and immediately after Nazi Germany and make it their own, I don't accept that a group centuries later using it is necessarily celebrating Hitler's views. Carol Black stands as evidence to contrast.


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Rifts Main Book, page 191

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Perhaps I am reading too much into what I see. Yet, in an obscure political essay written by Chairman Prosek as a student at Chi-University, he states: "Hitler was a genius who fell to madness and greed of power. He alone inspired a nation whose people were among the most downtrodden and depressed. Within a decade he had given the people's hearts and minds wings of inspiration and dreams of power and glory that they had not dared to imagine. Powered by these dreams, he was able to build an army unlike any the world had yet known. An army created from the ashes of despair turned into hope and prosperity. An army that made the world tremble. Had he proceeded more slowly and let his people enjoy their prosperity, letting them feed and grow fat with each new triumph, he would have built an Empire that could not have been toppled. He should have fed their greed, for a people who are without want do not look far from its golden doorway. They do not question the inhumanity or plight of others, but only thank the gods that they are so fortunate. Then when somebody threatens their prosperity they are terrified and will sanction any acts necessary to preserve their way of life, especially if they are not asked to do the deeds themselves. That is the secret; control over one's ambitions and over the people he rules. Use fear and ignorance, for they are tools of incredible power. And patience."


I mean, it's blatantly stated. Has been since the beginning of the setting. Unless you accuse Erin Tarn of making up the quotation, it's not even down to her interpretation of his actions (she makes that in the previous paragraph, and uses this quote to bolster her assertion). "Karl Prosek admires Hitler, and sees Hitler's mistakes as not being patient enough." He's not a white supremacist, but he is a human supremacist, using similar methods to attack other sophonts... he's just defined the "subhuman" as the "non-human"... non-persons are anyone who isn't human, instead of black or Jewish or other.

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I'll go why play the CS in a bit, but for those who might be inclined, I offer this.

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I'll go why play the CS in a bit, but for those who might be inclined, I offer this.


Very nice stuff. I have a dumb question: What's the difference between the helmets for the Tech Specialist and NCO?

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I'll go why play the CS in a bit, but for those who might be inclined, I offer this.

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This is why I love Chaos Earth. It's the Coalition perspective - the apocalypse is upon us and we must save humanity from the demons! In CE, there isn't whining about "what about the dee-bees?" since they are inhuman monsters and the PCs are holding the line with maximum firepower.

There is no reason you can't run a Coalition campaign with Savage Rifts.

It's just about the perspective of the PCs. You can easily do Tolkeen vs. Coalition with Tolkeen as the evil nightmare that must be stopped.


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http://savagerifts.com/sr/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=285

I play in an all CS PBP game

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I play in an all CS PBP game

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I just wanted to clarify that link is to a bunch of custom made M.A.R.S. packages for various CS soldier roles our GM came up with.

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this is a good idea for Savage Rifts.


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