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Morgan Vening

This brings me back to the key issues of the explanation of the finances. It is indisputable that PB produced Wave 1 product well and above what was required to fulfil backer pledges. Also indisputedly some of that product was sold at retail. Given that PB never contributed to the cost of this prod...

Morgan Vening

Succinct and to the point and most probably right. Actually, I disagree. All three answers are the same, the last one Jaymz mentions. Someone at Palladium would have all this information. They just choose not to share it. To be fair, at this point I don't think a significant portion of the backerba...

Morgan Vening

if you want to immediately accuse PB of every form of wrongdoing imaginable and destroy them on the basis of their assumed guilt? not fine. that kind of behaviour is not acceptable. You can insist that all you like, but the fact remains that there are now quite a lot of angry people who now have ev...

Morgan Vening

i don't think companies make a mint off of selling miniatures. that's my whole damned point. My apologies, I thought you were arguing from the other position. The problem with their not being the potential for making a mint off of selling miniatures, is it puts a knife into Palladium's argument tha...

Morgan Vening

again, nobody sells miniatures for the price they were offering in the kickstarter unless they're desperate to get rid of stock. it doesn't happen. if 24 dollars a box is the estimated cost of manufacturing (and i don't know enough about the industry to know if it is), then it is leaving out a ton ...

Morgan Vening

now again, i don't know if that's true; i don't know what their costs were, i don't know what the screwups were or how much they cost, but like i said: when i saw the price tag way back in the day, my immediate thought was that it was way too good to be true. if it was possible to make reasonable m...

Morgan Vening

discontinued. PB lost the license for robotech, so the RPG and RTT are going out of production and any tck they have has to be gotten rid of. (either via landfill or basically giving it to a wholesale liquidator to auction off at no profit for the company) if you were a backer of the kickstarter yo...

Morgan Vening

So following this line of approach , we can speculate that the actual profit margin on each set was relatively low and ceratinly not a big earner unless you were selling in large quantities. There is an exception here, and it kinda points to something that's been an issue for a while. That exceptio...

Morgan Vening

after getting what i could from the refund package deal, i decided to make a tally of all the figures i can build using the sets i have.. so i can start figuring out what mix of variants to assemble when i start assembling my own collection. (currently trying to finish my twin brother's half of the...

Morgan Vening

We know the number of Cores, from Update 155 . 3 boxes per case, 5834 cases = 17,502 Cores And while there's no numbers on MOST of the expansions, we know according to Update 160 , what the number of Spartan/Phalanx Expansions were. 12 boxes per case, 384 cases = 4,608 Spa/Pha Expansions. Given that...

Morgan Vening

The Beast wrote:Yeah I really only recall seeing jaymz trying to get people motivated for the game, but even he stopped after it became clear PB had zero interest in supporting the game.

Mike as well, before he also realised there wouldn't be any real support.

Morgan Vening

I can't see these subforums lasting beyond the deadline, as they're use trademarks that PB will no longer have the license to. But as someone who's followed these forums since their inception, the lack of traffic is pretty much endemic of the whole project. Palladium lament the lack of sales as one ...

Morgan Vening

Still no word from Palladium for my exchange. I figure I will call them next week. Has anyone heard from them? Some folks have posted in the Kickstarter comments that they’ve already received their replacement orders. I'd probably advise not waiting that long, or at least make sure it's Monday or T...

Morgan Vening

I mean they said they were planning to produce the second wave... And getting quotes to do it. So based on what they said. They had to have had the money (which they could offer as refunds) or they were totally not telling the truth. Which is it Palladium? You either had the money to try and produc...

Morgan Vening

Just a shoret point about the latest KS update, advising of the bad link. I am a simple man but the fact PB posted about this leads me to believe that someone there is monitoring the board and so was awre of the issue. However, that same someone - note the update was anomynous? - did notr bother to...

Morgan Vening

Anything else, what about the 3d files could they be released to the backer community as a show of faith. Something I know very little about but these be of use to backers for home printing with a caveat on resales? Palladium are the only people who can do this and it might be a little strong but f...

Morgan Vening

If I am not mistaken...the KS ToS states that if a project fails the creators must refund the backers with whatever remaining funds there are to the best of their ability. If that is the case then declaring a failure will actually do nothing to Palladium as if they have no money to refund with then...

Morgan Vening

That's an excellent point... So the actual Drop Dead date, based on what we can assume at this time is a totally idle project (rebooting) vs the license running out... Would be sometime around the next six months? Right? And that would be the next six months for them to be able to say... Manufactur...

Morgan Vening

So that being the case - I think Morgan stated this before - they must simply stop pretending, set themselves a final deadline after which point if nothing can happen, they declare the project failed and start the unavoidable and very unpalatable discussion of refunds Yup. That's been me. And as I ...

Morgan Vening

Yup. Palladium have had over three years (since delivery of Wave 1 starting in October, 2014), to show progress. We've had the wire frame breakdowns in late February, and that's been it. But everything else has been secret squirrel. What happened to the quotes that were being discussed in 2015? 2016...

Morgan Vening

I suspect that Scott was hired in direct response to the customer backlash Palladium and Carmen got in their followup joint crowdfunding endeavor which ended with tragic consequences. I haven't heard anything from Palladium nor Carmen's Rogue Heroes Studio about their Rifts boardgame for months whi...

Morgan Vening

Sad to say, I think they just need to find someone to do a halfway good job on the minis, get then done, and just drop it. I don't want that to happen, but with what has happen, they would be lucky to get half of the people to back RTT going any further. Man I really wanted the Invid and Masters in...

Morgan Vening

I am really looking forward to being told that 2020 is going to be the year RRT will be relaunched with wave 2. Are you meaning that that's the next revised date, or are you ignoring the expected "2018 is the year for Robotech" and "2019 is the year for Robotech". I do like Scot...

Morgan Vening

Sorry Morgan, I tried, I really did but after three updates about nothing something has to be said here. Hey, it wasn't meant as a perpetual abstinence. I just wanted to test the theory that this place is pretty much dead for any kind of conversation. That your post is literally the first post in f...

Morgan Vening

Oh, absolutely. One of my biggest gripes is the apparent lack of interest that PB have in the project, outside of the business (profit/debt) related aspect. It's clear from his statements that Kevin is passionate about his RPG's. There doesn't appear to be any of that from any of the PB crew regardi...

Morgan Vening

For all the problems that the Kickstarter is having, the thing that is the biggest predictor of failure for a game, is player apathy. Last Wednesday, Scott posted the long delayed Force Orgs. About 8 hours later (I was at work), I posted what the actual changes were. Minor cost bumps to Jotun (+10/+...

Morgan Vening

So the Force Orgs are finally up. And meh. Firstly, I couldn't give a crap about the aesthetics, so it not being polished isn't a determinant factor either way for me. However, they've had 3.5+ months to work on this, and they obviously didn't put any effort into the visuals. So let's check the mech...

Morgan Vening

Fully aware of what the Force Org is. That's why I'm surprised (but not shocked) that it's taken them so long to do it. Worst possible case, there might be some options or points costs that are slightly changed over official lists to capture a specific feel for a specific force style, like if beyond...

Morgan Vening

Force Orgs Promised Conventional Forces Rules (also from two years ago) Pdf rulebook Ongoing FAQ/Errata Real Organized Play program Transparency on progress on wave 2 That's off the top of my head and none of it has come to pass. Its also the realization it wasn't going to that caused myself to was...

Morgan Vening

I would like to make an observation here as well. When I read the posts that are put up as reactions to mine I see an interesting common thread... ...specifically those on the "inside looking out" tend to have a specific view of the issue. And also tend to be dismissive of those that do n...

Morgan Vening

Others covered the other points, so I'm not going to rehash those. But this bit hasn't, and I feel it needs a response. ...and with out sales of products issues of money again come up because there is/was only so much money raised by the initial Kickstarter. This leads to a second feedback cycle. Th...

Morgan Vening

Simple question that must be answered by Palladium Books While I'd love to see your questions answered, I highly doubt Palladium will be anymore forthcoming than they already have been. I'd also like to know if Harmony Gold loses the Robotech license in 2021, how that's going to affect Palladium? W...

Morgan Vening

Ah but do not forget this will only be done, when said modeller gets a break in his schedule - I suggest this is the sam ebloke who is working on the Rifts BG. However, in all honestly tthese are resin pieces shown in therir rendered form over three years ago, simple question why have these not alr...

Morgan Vening

Another two weeks, another blank on this topic. I have to assume that he's forgotten, because there's no other good reason as to why this is taking so long. 12 weeks since mention, 10 weeks since review, 6 weeks since hold-up for GenCon. 5 weeks since GenCon. This was promised. This shouldn't be a b...

Morgan Vening

Could it be they also might have somehow lost everything? AKA, wave 1? This might add to what all went wrong. But if that happen, then why? Exactly. And while it's not directly impacted on the backers as they've already got their Wave 1 rewards, it does potentially add to the costs if the plans for...

Morgan Vening

I asked about the license on their FB and to this day have only been met with silence And that's part of the problem. Scott stated in Update 204 that he reads "every single comment on my Updates, no matter what it says, and as many as I can on the comments page". And many of these issues ...

Morgan Vening

There are definitely some outstanding questions that should be answered, if PB ever intend to follow through on their "... commitment to you, the Kickstarter backers, that we will maintain consistent communication throughout the process. This means regular updates, product photos, [/b]and plent...

Morgan Vening

I'm curious why the Force Org Charts are so delayed. It was mentioned in early July that they existed. It was mentioned in mid July that they were being reviewed. It was mentioned in mid August that it would be held up because of GenCon. It has been three weeks since GenCon, two Updates, and no ment...

Morgan Vening

Doesn't appear to be as yet. And that's kinda the problem. Even when something good happens, there's zero publicity. This would have been a great starting push if revitalization is wanted. And while not every army was painted, there were definitely some that showed some skill with the brush. And Dan...

Morgan Vening

Spinachcat wrote:Could you link to it or include the text?

I don't remember that, but its been 2 years.

Here tis.

Update 186

The length of page is significant (6 pages of text, another 6 of digital sculpts), so posting in full would be cumbersome.

Morgan Vening

The problem seems to be not wanting to give out any details, when a few details could help to allay fears. Obviously some things should be kept secret, and others could at least be argued as such. But in Scott's first Update (June 21st), he mentions a phone call after the initial quote on the Friday...

Morgan Vening

The problem seems to be not wanting to give out any details, when a few details could help to allay fears. Obviously some things should be kept secret, and others could at least be argued as such. But in Scott's first Update (June 21st), he mentions a phone call after the initial quote on the Friday...

Morgan Vening

So..., how did it go? Pictures? Agreed. It's been a week since the end of GenCon. Even without pictures, they should be able to give an accounting of participants, what they played, who won, etc. If the intent is to build up the fan base/enthusiasm, then this crap shouldn't be difficult or drawn ou...

Morgan Vening

So..., how did it go? Pictures? Agreed. It's been a week since the end of GenCon. Even without pictures, they should be able to give an accounting of participants, what they played, who won, etc. If the intent is to build up the fan base/enthusiasm, then this crap shouldn't be difficult or drawn out.

Morgan Vening

Deleyed though it was Wave One was completed, but then it seems Ninja Div, moved on for reasons that will lilely never be fully disclosed and Palladium took over. It is from that point onwards that the slide into the mess we havenow began. Sadly the only discernable effort infinishing this, has bee...

Morgan Vening

If we have one at the OH, I want it be the full 300 points, in that we all should be good enough now to do the game at a descent pace. And please keep things civil. If you say no because of wave 2, then fine, just keep it at that and not go any further. Definitely a good idea to have the tourney at...

Morgan Vening

Err not sure if I am reading this right? You are saying that the paper minis constitute a valid army? Oh boy that sure to realy annoy anyone who spent hours/days/weeks carefully putting together the plastic minis, why bother just download . print and cut out, you can even carry your full army/armie...

Morgan Vening

I didn't back SoB, but I'm guessing they don't have as many angry backers as RTT. Did SoB have informative updates that kept backers up to date on progress? I can understand a project of that magnitude taking far longer than they originally anticipated. (A friend of mine was a Minecart backer, if t...

Morgan Vening

I just don't see a ton of positive news surrounding this game any time soon. Until or unless PB announce something substantial and informative (with pictures!), what's the point? They've kicked this can down the road each and every year since early 2014. And there's simply been nothing said that ma...

Morgan Vening

Those are allowed as they are still available for purchase. You will probably be able to even get them at the show to use. Just to be funny if wave 2 is out by then they will be allowed as well. But we all know that is not going to happen. I think the position Bielmic is taking, is that while some ...

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